Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?

[Annik]

He doesn't have evidence his story book is right or else we wouldn't be on this forum, eh?

[DeeTee]

He doesn't have evidence his story book is right or else we wouldn't be on this forum, eh?

No, if God did not exist we would not be having any of these discussions and there would be no religious belief in the world. Everyone would be exactly the same.

[Annik]

Well, that's a load of shit if I ever heard it. People are different because of their personalities, not because of their religions. Also: You're a fanatical. You're not going to understand our arguments because of your incredibly biased schema toward atheists and atheism. You'll be more comfortable in the Dark Ages.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

This is what we call a self-stultifying statement, that is, a statement which defeats itself.

That coming from a Christian apologist? Can you say i-r-o-n-y?



Think what you like ,I disagree.

[DeeTee]

Basically, the answer to your question is that the atheist thinks and reasons, no longer running on the reptilian portion of the brain for the best thoughts

The problem with this thinking is the assumption that all believers started out as christians from their birth and do not examine the evidence, do not question their beliefs, do not ask why, etc.

While some grow up in christian homes, there are others who did not and have used their brains to examine the evidence, question then used their reason and logic to come to the truth. They then repent and become believers in Jesus.

In the church, many teen-agers do this as well, some leave the church others do not. The above thinking implies that the atheist has a monopoly on reasoning, thinking and logic when that is far from the truth.
it takes a lot fo thinking, reasoning an dlogic to decide to follow Christ as one knows they will be persecuted for their decision---some even killed.

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1. Well, that's a load of shit if I ever heard it. People are different because of their personalities, not because of their religions. Also: You're a fanatical. @.You're not going to understand our arguments because of your incredibly biased schema toward atheists and atheism. Y3.ou'll be more comfortable in the Dark Ages.

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1.You're assuming you comprehended what I wrote correctly. I did not say anything about personality did I? There is more than one way to be the same--think about it.

2. You are batting 0 for 2. You do not know anything about me nor can you say what I do or don't understand. Your false charge of bias really applies to you and all atheists as your bias towards the Bible is astoundingly strong. So you are in no place to say what I can or can't do or what influences me.

3. No, I would be more comfortable in heaven.

[Jackalope]

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Basically, the answer to your question is that the unbeliever/atheist put themselves in a position of superiority and think they get to call the shots. They do not realize that they do not have that right nor authority.

God has already created the criteia for belief and His existence. The atheist can stamp their feet all they want and shout that everyone must meet their demands but the believer knows it just doesn't work that way. If the atheist/unbeliever wants proof that God exists then they must do things God's way.

God's way is: accept the Bible as true; humble oneself to God recognizing that he rules not unbelief; repent of their sins. the evidence they do get is marred by their unbelief and desires to live theirown lives as they please and still expect to get a reward.

Again, it doesn't work that way. Entry to heaven and meeting God goes through Jesus as He said "no man cometh unto the father but by me"

The rules are very clear and FAITH is part of the equation.

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You appear to be operating under many misconceptions about what atheists believe.

1) The *only* belief we all share is this: We do not believe in any deities (to varying degrees of certainty), including yours. Myself, I simply have not seen or heard any arguments convincing enough, not any more so than the argument that there is an invisible pink unicorn in my garage.

2) Furthermore, I have never in my life met or heard of an atheist who "desires to live theirown [sic] lives as they please and still expect to get a reward". What reward would a non-believer expect to get? A ticket to heaven? I've yet to encounter an atheist who was irrational enough to simultaneously disbelieve in deities and believe in heaven. (Though admittedly, I've met some who were smitten with other forms of woo. Just not yours.)

3) You might think that "the rules are quite clear", but it has yet to be established that there is any legitimate authority concerning said rules. That you are convinced there is has no bearing on reality no matter how badly you wish it were so.

4) Very few of us demand evidence to support YOUR belief. In my personal view, you're free to believe whatever you wish to believe. I simply do not care, as do many others who share my lack of belief in deities. However, if you want to sway the opinion of a skeptic, failing to meet said skeptic's standard of evidence is going to be.... less than effective, no matter how right you think you are and how unreasonable you think they're being.

I'll also add that in my personal opinion, continuing to use the same approach you've been using since arriving here without adjusting to your target audience is.... well, it shows a profound lack of understanding of the target audience, and is quite rude as well.

If you think you've been treated rudely here, you need not look past your own misconceptions about what we as individuals actually believe for the answer why.

I would not presume to tell you what you believe, nor would I generalize the behavior of another individual and prejudicially assume that you and all other of your faith are all alike, as you have done repeatedly here.

Rather, I'll form my opinion about you, without prejudice, based on your words and behavior that you've exhibited since arriving here, and your beliefs have nothing to do with my inescapable conclusion:

You're a grade-A tool.

[Annik]

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1.You're assuming you comprehended what I wrote correctly. I did not say anything about personality did I? There is more than one way to be the same--think about it.

2. You are batting 0 for 2. You do not know anything about me nor can you say what I do or don't understand. Your false charge of bias really applies to you and all atheists as your bias towards the Bible is astoundingly strong. So you are in no place to say what I can or can't do or what influences me.

3. No, I would be more comfortable in heaven.

1. People are never going to be "the same" as long as there are any differences. I'd tell you to think about that, but you've displayed a stunning ability not to think at all.

2. So, you can judge me on my non-belief, but how dare I pigeonhole you with other Christians? However, I was just basing that off of your posts on this forum. To help you understand, you are condemning all atheists because they are atheists. That makes you a prejudiced prick. Fun! Also, you don't know me, either. ;D

3. No, no, the Dark Ages are right up your alley! You'd get to burn witches, kill heathens and all that jazz. Ah, a time before reason.

[Ryft]

Down here in the States there is actually a large number of groups of Christians who think salvation is completely by faith alone (in Christ, of course, not just "faith") on the part of the believer.

Sure, same here. That is sola fide, one of the five solas of the Protestant Reformation. And it is no different from what I said. But ChadWooters was talking about something a little (but significantly) different, namely, "belief alone" being "the only means of salvation." It is true that salvation is by faith alone, meaning that faith is the instrument by which we have access to that salvation procured and secured by Christ's atoning work in his life, death, and resurrection. Christ alone is the means of salvation, and it is through faith that we have access to that salvation (with faith itself being a gift of grace secured by Christ's atoning work).

To them, the faith is completely alone; works comes after as part of sanctification ...

Which, if you go back and read my post, is exactly what I said.

Basically, there's a debate going on between "free grace" salvation and "Lordship" salvation (which would be close to your view) right now.

Aidan W. Tozer: "I present to you a discredited doctrine that divides Christ. It goes like this: ‘Christ is indeed both Savior and Lord; yet a sinner may be saved by accepting him as Savior without yielding to him as Lord.’ The practical outworking of this doctrine is that the evangelist presents, and the seeker accepts, a divided Christ. Now, it seems odd that none of these teachers ever noticed that the only true object of saving faith is none other than Christ himself—not the ‘saviorhood’ of Christ nor the ‘lordship’ of Christ, but Christ himself (1 Tim. 2:5). God does not offer salvation to the one who will believe on one of the offices of Christ, nor is an office of Christ ever presented as an object of faith ... Paul did not tell people to believe on the Savior with the thought that they could later take up the matter of his Lordship and settle it at their own convenience. To Paul there could be no division of offices. Christ must be—and is—Lord, or he will not be the Savior" (emphasis mine).

[FallentoReason]

He doesn't have evidence his story book is right or else we wouldn't be on this forum, eh?

No, if Allah did not exist we would not be having any of these discussions and there would be no religious belief in the world. Everyone would be exactly the same.

Now, in your eyes why would this statement be wrong? Given that you will respond with a legitimate reason that discards Allah on a whim, what argument can you give me for God being any more real than Allah?

[Minimalist]

He doesn't have evidence his story book is right or else we wouldn't be on this forum, eh?

No, if God did not exist we would not be having any of these discussions and there would be no religious belief in the world. Everyone would be exactly the same.

That could be the single dumbest thing you've ever said, Arch....and that covers a lot of ground.

Even you must understand that peoples around the world invented gods long before your fucking yahweh was ever dreamed up by some semitic goatfucker. They had no more trouble inventing gods and religions that the forebears of your sad creed.