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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm
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(May 10, 2012 at 3:30 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, it makes premarital sex a sin. If you let gay people get married, which your quotes say nothing against, that would not be a problem. Ok good! so now all you have to do is provide a context where the covenant of marriage is extended to same sex couples and your home free. If you can not, then know all homosexual activity outside the confines of a santified marriage is still a sin. Not the unforgivable sin like some think but still a sin never the less.
Quote:Again, show me where it says homosexuality is a sin.
I have, in that their is not a conext in the bible where it is permitted. Meaning if a Santified Marriage is the only context in which sex is permitted then every sexual act (Homosexual or not) is a sin. Homosexuals are no different then hetrosexuals in this regaurd.
Quote:Let's not assume every homosexual is having premarital sex so you can argue with that verse.
They are unless you can provide book chapter and verse that shows a same sex marriage as being santified before God.
Quote:Specifically, where does it say it? And . . . where does it say that men can't marry men and women can't marry women?
I am asserting that marriage is between a man and a woman. 1cor 7:2 I am also saying that sex outside of the santity of marriage is a sin: (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).
I am not saying anything else. If you think it is ok before God for a man to marry a man or a woman a woman then it is on you to show me book chapter and verse.
Homosexuality is a sin of sexual immorality just like everyother sexual sin. Why? Because like everyother sexual sin it is done outside the confines of a santified marriage.
(May 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I already have. The god who is silent on this issue. I prefer indifference to intolerance. Sure, it's a choice between shit and a shit sandwich..but this is the judeo-christian god we're talking about, so I'll take it.
How is He silent? He defines one avenue for sexual activity. all others being a sin. This includes homosexuality.
(May 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Shell B Wrote: Adding the "activity" for good measure, eh? For shame. Being homosexual does not mean you are having sex. Next dodge.
Does it mean you think about having sex outside of the confines of a santified marriage? For Christ tells us that even lustful thoughts are a sin in Mt 5.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Drich, we are not talking about homosexual activity. You're slithering like a snake.
Tell me why homosexuals cannot get married and stop assuming all homosexuals have had sexual intercourse.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm)Drich Wrote: All sex outside the confines of the covenant of marriage is a sin.(Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).
Great. So what laws is the Christian right proposing to outlaw adultery and pre-marital sex? Is stoning going to be reinstated or are we going to use a firing squad as the new version?
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Drich, the bible says loads of shit about marriage ( mostly ignored in modern times ) but nowhere does it say marriage is the "union of one man and one woman".
Paul said "It is better to marry than to burn with passion", which does not talk about sexes.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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(May 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Shell B Wrote: Drich, we are not talking about homosexual activity. You're slithering like a snake.
Tell me why homosexuals cannot get married and stop assuming all homosexuals have had sexual intercourse.
So.. if a person has no homosexual contact nor thinks about homosexuality in a lustful content what makes him or her gay?
(May 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm)genkaus Wrote: Great. So what laws is the Christian right proposing to outlaw adultery and pre-marital sex? Is stoning going to be reinstated or are we going to use a firing squad as the new version?
Nope, just defining the act a sin. one like anyother.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm)Drich Wrote: So.. if a person has no homosexual contact nor thinks about homosexuality in a lustful content what makes him or her gay?
Loving a person of the same sex romantically.
Straight people think about sex before they get married and often do it. Are you proposing we outlaw that too? Only way to stand by your argument, really.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 4:01 pm
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(May 10, 2012 at 3:55 pm)Tobie Wrote: Drich, the bible says loads of shit about marriage ( mostly ignored in modern times ) but nowhere does it say marriage is the "union of one man and one woman". I did not say one man and one woman, I simply restated what 1Co 7 states. That a santified marriage is between a man and a woman.
Quote:Paul said "It is better to marry than to burn with passion", which does not talk about sexes.
Yes He did read 1 corthinians 7
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm)Drich Wrote: All sexual activity outside the confines of the covenant of marriage are considered "impure." See Every single verse I left in my first response to you.
Sex outside of marriage is wrong? Bit late now.... 
I've had fun with a babysitter, a couple school teachers and my sister's friends.
Don't plan to quit either.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 4:08 pm
You gonna stone your wife if you can't prove she's a virgin? You going to treat your wife like she's property? I doubt it.
The Bible says degrades fuck loads of people; women, tax collectors, cripples, people with flat noses - these are all treated as equals, why can't you let the final piece of biblical bigotry die?
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 10, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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Cor1:7 is addressing married heterosexual couples specifically. To make a short story long, don't fuck around on your spouse and give up the nookie when the other one wants it. Don't see any prohibitions against gay marriage there Drich. As I said, scripture is silent, I prefer the biblical god to yours.
Now don't get me wrong, I understand why you've decided to apply such a rationalization. But if we're going to run with it, can I have your car?
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