Male Rape - An Invisible Problem

[Tiberius]

Do I really need to remind some people in this thread that not all men are muscular and strong??? Honestly?!?

[frankiej]

Ah, I forgot about people like Gollum.

I joke... I realise not everyone guy muscular and strong, but they should still be able to fend off a crazy harpie, no?

[Tiberius]

Additionally, the use of drugs (alcohol) has been reported before. One guy in the Men's Rights reddit was a devout Christian and had his drink spiked by a girl at a party, who then tried to seduce him. Despite him protesting and saying no repeatedly, she overpowered him and raped him.

[Shell B]

The idea that every man can fend off a woman is absurd. Furthermore, does date rape not apply to men? Can a man not be coerced and guilted into sex in the same shameful way that many woman are? I will submit that it is definitely rarer than male to female or even male to male rape, but it is no less a reality and is not an indication of a man's "manliness."

That being said, that Men's Rights subreddit does have some elements of a female hate group, dear. I do not agree that all members engage in the inflammatory discussion of women that some do, thus making it not a hate group at all, but you have to admit that some of the nonsense posted in there is purely and simply angry bullshit. I took the time to pop my head in there recently and found a few good points, mixed with some crap that doesn't do the overall theme of the group justice. If it is to be presented as a men's rights group, there should be some filter to the woman suck content. It's hardly my fault, or the woman sitting in the next room's fault, that legislation is not fair to men. /off-topic rant

[Autumnlicious]

I like how when people say "male rape" they think of "female raping male".

Not the ridiculously fucking common and hence term prison-rape of male v. male.

Males and females are both victims.

The perpetrator is arbitrary, though usually male.

'Usually male' is not good enough bounds for a law, any more than the assertion a murderer is 'usually <some ethnic group>' and thus necessitating a law that punishes/protects only said group.

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That being said, that Men's Rights subreddit does have some elements of a female hate group, dear. I do not agree that all members engage in the inflammatory discussion of women that some do, thus making it not a hate group at all, but you have to admit that some of the nonsense posted in there is purely and simply angry bullshit. I took the time to pop my head in there recently and found a few good points, mixed with some crap that doesn't do the overall theme of the group justice.

The fact that SPLC considers an aspect of internet free-for-all on the scale of 4chan that occasionally promotes reasonable material in the midst of it's cancer shows that SPLC has lost objectivity.

r/MensRights is no more a 'hate organization' than this forum is a formal organization.

I wonder if SPLC considers the whole of 4chan a 'hate organization' for /b/'s activities...

And yes, r/MensRights is a total shit show. I think I've even seen some of Dotard's NO'MAAM stuff there...

But then again, r/ShitRedditSays is full of thought policing, Rebecca Watson-vitriol quality feminists.

[Annik]

Men Can taken advantage of by being coerced while under the influence. These girls will stick when the men are incredibly drunk and then threaten them with false rape accusations (which could ruin their lives). With the alcohol in their systems and then the sudden surge of hormones, it's not hard to see the men not fighting back.

SRS once launched a slew of downvote bots at me for saying I was a female MRA. Lol

[Hovik]

The denial of male rape is unfortunately only one aspect of the problem. It is very common to see the denial of Men's Rights, or to label the entire Men's Rights Movement as misogynists.

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Oh, and in case any of you are fans of the South Poverty Law Center, be aware that they recently declared various Men's Rights organisations (even the /r/mensrights subreddit) as hate groups, based on absolutely no evidence.

Exactly this. MRA groups are branded as misogynists and hate groups because they dare to express the notion that men have been given the short end of the stick by our legal system and government.

I mean, look at this crap. A man by the name of Omar Amin was browsing the books in this children's section of Barnes & Noble by himself to find something for his grandchildren. A woman complained about his presence being "suspicious," and the store responded by kicking him out.

This view that men are assumed to be sexual predators is extremely harmful. To give a more anecdotal example, I cannot tell you how many times I've been given dirty looks simply because I smiled when I saw a kid doing something cute. Am I a sexual predator? Hell no. I simply have a strong paternal instinct and find kids to be cute as hell. Why is it that when a woman does it, it's socially acceptable, but if a man does the same thing, he's clearly thinking about doing harmful things to the child? It's a double standard that very clearly highlights the gender bias that has been created.

I'm well aware that a man can be raped, but how does a man get raped by a woman????

Do you have an example?

Can you link an authenticated news story of a man being raped by a woman?

There are many, many cases of men being raped by women. It doesn't require physical strength to overpower someone; coercion and psychological abuse play an equally important role. What's more, contrary to popular yet incorrect belief, men are capable of becoming erect even against their wills.

For a specific example, read this. Note that the attitudes expressed by the writer of this article are not uncommon: it's humorous that the would-be robber was raped for three days. Search the internet for articles regarding this incident and ctrl+F "rape." I can promise you few if any of them will have that word in the article. Consider that, if the roles were reversed and a man had tied up a female would-be robber and raped her for three days, there would be a shitstorm. This is how bad the situation is for Men's Rights; people don't recognize that men can and have been raped.

Keep in mind that many cases of rape against men go unreported due to the social stigma attached to it as well as media outlets and police agencies not recognizing it as rape and therefore doing basically nothing about it.
For further reading, there is this thread on Reddit's r/askreddit subforum about this exact topic with various victims of rape discussing their stories.

In these instances, people aren't up in arms about it because men "cannot be raped" in the eyes of society. A man's peers will ridicule him for speaking up about it; strangers will say how "lucky" he is to have gotten laid. Hell, even the police will outright refuse to help and say point-blank that men can't be raped.

[Cinjin]

Good points by all. Shell and Annik mentioned coercion. "If you don't have sex with me, I"ll tell people you raped me."
That is a horrible thing to do but that is not the crime of rape, that is the crime of extortion. Sexual extortion yes, but the man was not physically forced to have sex. Also, this does not address my question of how a woman physically rapes a man.

Addressing Syn's point: I never questioned man on man rape. That is most obviously rape. I have only noted thus far that how a woman successfully rapes a man is a puzzle to me.

Also, regarding a woman or a group of women incapacitating a man: Once a man is unconscious, certain physical reactions will not occur. The only rape possible becomes sodomy and/or fondling. Vile and heinous of course, but very possibly unsatisfactory for the woman looking for a sexual release.

I have never said that raping a man does not occur. I have only stated that it must be extremely rare for several reasons:

1. I've seen only two news stories about men being raped by women in my entirely life. (and even those are more like sexual assault - sketchy at best)
2. Even the smallest of adult males is more often than not far stronger than the large majority of women. Biologically, this is fact.
3. Location. If a woman is planning on truly raping a man, some seriously intricate and devious thinking would have to go into restraining, detaining, enticing, and genitally raping a conscious objecting male.
4. As clearly shown on this thread, the term rape has several different definitions according to our own handful of members.


Don't get me wrong people. I've already mentioned in other threads that I think rapists should get the death penalty. I'm not condoning any rape in any form by either a man or a woman. I just do NOT see how a man can get raped by a woman. A man yes. A group of women? yes. A once-in-a-blue-moon psychopathic bitch with a rage crush? yes.

Other than that - I don't see it and I think that's why the law and the news doesn't see it either.





sorry - one last point.

You try telling the female victim of a savage gang rape by a bunch of yuppy college pricks that you got "raped" by a woman who snuck into your house and tried to suck your dick ----- well, you're liable to have your head ripped clean off. I'm sorry if it's a double standard, but we are men and the odds of us getting raped by a woman are ridiculously low. I fail to see how any woman could possibly make me suffer the way an innocent 16 year old girl might at the hands of her male counterparts.

[frankiej]

Don't get me wrong people. I've already mentioned in other threads that I think rapists should get the death penalty.

If a women drugged me and managed to rape me I would just say: "Can you at least ask next time?"

[Cinjin]

In these instances, people aren't up in arms about it because men "cannot be raped" in the eyes of society. A man's peers will ridicule him for speaking up about it; strangers will say how "lucky" he is to have gotten laid. Hell, even the police will outright refuse to help and say point-blank that men can't be raped.

according to their definition of rape, the police are correct.

I'm sorry but guilt and coercion are not rape and I KNOW that it would be offensive to the millions of women who have been brutally raped without question or coercion but only raw brutal force to call it that.


According to your definition - men are being raped (by women), but not according to mine. Sexual abuse/assault/molestation is abhorrent to me, but I do not call them rape.