How to cure depression?

[Aractus]

As I have shown above you do try to provide medical advice. FACT

You are incredibly arrogant. Why don't you read this. If someone you know has depression you are supposed to get involved. Big fat f-ing surprise hey?

Please don't assume.

weight.gain.is.a.known.side.effect.of.the.drug.
It's a fact, not an assumption. The drug affects your metabolism as well as your appetite. It's up to drug companies to prove their drugs are safe, and this my friend has not been proven. Thus it isn't an assumption.

No wonder he is depressed if there is a whole bunch of people he knows are just like you. Maybe the anti-depressants have been working.(Ah shit just did a Daniel)

He had other friends that kicked him out of their groups, and basically turned their back on him because they had had enough of his depression. I didn't do that to him. Don't go claiming I'm a bad friend, when I'm not.

I will tell you one of the other side effect he suffers - extreme insomnia. He sleeps 1-2 hours a night. Again this is a well known side-effect of the drug. Don't presume to tell me I haven't seen what it's done to him.

[Faith No More]

I have never seen any evidence that antidepressants are positive for the patient in the long term. Ever.

Hello(now you have).

Also, you are generalizing anti-depressants based on one person's experience with one drug. The brain is highly complex, and there are several different kinds of anti-depressants. It is impossible with our current knowledge to know what drugs will work for what person, so the only way to find out is trial and error. If Effexor is not working for your friend, it is not the fault of anti-depressants, and your friend should not continue to take it. To demonize all anti-depressants because of the problems of one of them(which is quite old anyway) is misleading.

[Shell B]

Hey, Daniel, shut the fuck up. That is all.

Edit for hissy fit clarification: Sorry, but this anti=anti-depressant shit is fucking more harmful than helpful. So what if you get fat on a pill? It might stop you from killing yourself.

[Faith No More]

Danel, do not let the harshness of Shell's delivery belie the soundness of her message.

[Aractus]

Also, you are generalizing anti-depressants based on one person's experience with one drug.

Incorrect I've known many people who have used antidepressants, and about 4 specifically who have used Effexor. I am certain that when used correctly they provide short-term benefits. I am yet to find someone who I believe has benefited from long term use. I know someone, as I mentioned before, who stopped using Effexor after a number of years on the drug. His opinion is that he does not think it had been helpful to him for a long time. I did not press him for more, that's what he told me. Since he only used it for about 3 or 4 years, and it took him longer then 6 months to wean off it, I take that to mean that it didn't provide him with long term benefit.

[festive1]

Also, you are generalizing anti-depressants based on one person's experience with one drug.

Incorrect I've known many people who have used antidepressants, and about 4 specifically who have used Effexor. I am certain that when used correctly they provide short-term benefits. I am yet to find someone who I believe has benefited from long term use. I know someone, as I mentioned before, who stopped using Effexor after a number of years on the drug. His opinion is that he does not think it had been helpful to him for a long time. I did not press him for more, that's what he told me. Since he only used it for about 3 or 4 years, and it took him longer then 6 months to wean off it, I take that to mean that it didn't provide him with long term benefit.

A group of 4 people hardly constitutes a large enough sample from which to draw the conclusions you are presenting. Someone's opinion of a drug they used is probably accurate to their experience, but not representative of all people who have taken this drug.

[Faith No More]

I am yet to find someone who I believe has benefited from long term use.

Bullshit. I just introduced you to someone. Me.

And again, you are using one drug to demonize the entire category. You might as well tell people that all fruit sucks, because you didn't like an apple.

You are speaking of things that clearly do not know enough about to do so.

[Jackalope]

I am yet to find someone who I believe has benefited from long term use.

Bullshit. I just introduced you to someone. Me.

Allow me to introduce you to another as well. Me.

[Waratah]

As I have shown above you do try to provide medical advice. FACT

You are incredibly arrogant. Why don't you read this. If someone you know has depression you are supposed to get involved. Big fat f-ing surprise hey?

1st WFT. I'm arrogant.
2nd WFT. What has your comment got to with the FACT that you trying to provide medical advice for conditions and medicines as I had shown and you had denied doing so(Still not willing to be a woman about this are you. Sad really). See the following comments by you.
-Depression can be cured. Long-term antidepressant use does not help, it only keeps people in depression. Antidepressants are (can be) effective short-term.
-because the drugs totally numb his ability to appreciate happiness
-took him months and months to get off the drug because it's highly addictive
-I'm the one who sees the effects of his medication

Your personal and unqualified opinions about medical conditions, drugs and drug use is NOT a good way to get involved. May be a good way to be involved is to learn how to listen to people and be more accepting and understanding. Leave the other stuff to professionals.

weight.gain.is.a.known.side.effect.of.the.drug.
It's a fact, not an assumption. The drug affects your metabolism as well as your appetite. It's up to drug companies to prove their drugs are safe, and this my friend has not been proven. Thus it isn't an assumption.

You just don't get it do you(Although I think you do). I am not arguing about the drug Effexor and its effects. I am trying to show you that your observations of your "friend" are assumptions without the controls in place. I can simply say to you that I know someone who took Effexor and lost weight then came off it and gained weight. It means nothing because not all the facts are known.

He had other friends that kicked him out of their groups, and basically turned their back on him because they had had enough of his depression. I didn't do that to him. Don't go claiming I'm a bad friend, when I'm not.

I wasn't trying to claim that you were a bad friend, just that in my opinion you are annoying, know it all, who is really up himself and if I knew you personally maybe I would be depressed.

I will tell you one of the other side effect he suffers - extreme insomnia. He sleeps 1-2 hours a night. Again this is a well known side-effect of the drug. Don't presume to tell me I haven't seen what it's done to him.

You could very well be correct but your opinion is worthless since it's unqualified and you do not have all the facts.

Your above statement is just another diversionary tactic by you to avoid admitting either your mistakes or lies. Remember this all started because I said you should not be listened to. I then qualified my statement when you took exception to it. Poor baby. As I have said before, WOMAN UP.

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weight.gain.is.a.known.side.effect.of.the.drug.
It's a fact, not an assumption. The drug affects your metabolism as well as your appetite. It's up to drug companies to prove their drugs are safe, and this my friend has not been proven. Thus it isn't an assumption.
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No wonder you have so many friends Daniel if you consider me one.

[Shell B]

It's very unfortunate that people equate side effects with ineffectiveness. If your friend had diabetes, you would not tell him to stop his medication because it made him feel numb. You would not then say medication is not a long-term solution for diabetes. Remember that many mental illnesses are potentially deadly. There have been times in my life when I would have burned my eyes out with hot pokers if it meant I would feel better. I'll take a numb feeling over OCD, anxiety and panic attacks any day.