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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am
Shell B Wrote:Remember that many mental illnesses are potentially deadly.
I think this is the biggest issue I have with people who speak so vehemently about mental illness yet have little to no experience dealing with them(which also raises the issue that "I have a friend that suffers" is not experience). The steps people take to manage their mental illness have repercussions, as does well-meaning yet wholly uninformed advice.
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 12:51 am
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'll take side effects and partial effectiveness over eating a bullet any day. I've spent far too much time contemplating the latter to be too concerned about the former.
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 7:04 am
(November 20, 2012 at 12:51 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'll take side effects and partial effectiveness over eating a bullet any day. I've spent far too much time contemplating the latter to be too concerned about the former.
Three attempts on my account ... i suck at suicide .. oh well you can't be good at everything i guess ...
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 7:50 am
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 8:16 am
Daniel you must love digging holes because you are always moving the goalposts.
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 8:20 am
(November 20, 2012 at 7:50 am)Daniel Wrote: My opinion is not unique, I didn't come up with it one night on my own, I adopted it after I was confronted with what I see as irrefutable evidence that long-term antidepressant use under the care of a GP does more harm than good. That's my opinion, my advice to anyone on antidepressants long term is NOT to stop taking their meds, my advice is to switch from a GP to a psychiatrist. I don't know what I've said that is controversial!
Because, this "irrefutable evidence" upon which you are basing your opinion is completely refutable. You admit you have no personal experience on this matter, yet keep pointing at your friends' experiences as evidence. It is evidence, but it is anecdotal, not scientific nor statistically relevant.
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 8:53 am
Whatever.
My point, as I've made it abundantly clear, is that GP's are not qualified to handle long-term antidepressant prescriptions and that psychiatrists are.
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 11:27 am
You just really pulled a whatever. What a dick. I'll give you only one rope. Hopefully, you will not hang yourself with it. The first person experience from people in here is anecdotal as well. Now, don't forget they gave it because you were all "Well, I never . . . " and now you are denying their testimony like a chump. Are you sure you're not a Scientologist?
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm
(November 20, 2012 at 8:53 am)Daniel Wrote: Whatever.
My point, as I've made it abundantly clear, is that GP's are not qualified to handle long-term antidepressant prescriptions and that psychiatrists are.
I can't tell if you're being disingenuous when you say that this is your point, or if you truly do not understand that this is not what you have been saying. You have been demonizing long-term use of anti-depressants in general, and you only seem to fall back on this argument when backed into a corner. Do you honestly think that if this was the message you have been conveying that there would have been such opposition to it? Personally, I agree with the fact that someone should be required to see a psychiatrist for long-term use of anti-depressants wholeheartedly, and if this is truly the point you are trying to make, you should be more careful of what you say.
(BTW, I love the fact that you offer up nothing but anecdotal evidence but then completely dismiss any that goes against your argument. And fuck you for saying I don't count. It is an insult, and if you simply wanted to dismiss what I have to say, there are much more tactful ways to do so.)
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RE: How to cure depression?
November 21, 2012 at 3:23 am
That is my point. I still believe, wholeheartedly, that long term use is usually not beneficial to the patient. Nothing to do with being backed into a corner. If I didn't believe the latter then why would I be so passionate about seeing antidepressants being handled by psychiatrists and not general practitioners?
I give you the exact same scientific evidence you get from the pharmaceutical companies, which is next to nothing. It's their responsibility, not mine, to provide scientific data. Like most corporations with a product to sell, they don't want us to know about the problems and dangers of their products - if that sounds "strong" then good. They've had 20+ years to study and release data on the current drugs they sell us, it is unacceptable that they still tell us "we don't know what effect it has on metabolism", etc. Not to mention permanent alterations to the chemistry of the brain, they still haven't told us why we shouldn't be worried about that either.
You don't count because I don't form my opinions by listening to "random" people posting under pseudonyms on the internet, I form them from the people I know personally. So you've experienced depression and been on antidepressants? Good for you, plenty of people have, when I find a shortage of people I'll let you know. You need to be concerned about your own health, because it's your mind/soul and body. You do with it what you decide is best.
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