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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 1, 2012 at 8:28 pm
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(June 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Drich Wrote: To all who say scientist are always accepted on the merrit of their work:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19kentucky.html
Because the merit of his work is being effected by his beliefs.
How would you feel if there was a teacher at a medical school teaching 'The Curse Theory of Disease' because the Bible says diseases are caused by curses?
(July 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: You guys seem to be getting away from the question that was asked and the point being made.
Why aren't there more scientists that are Christian?
Stats were provided.
Point being made, Scientists are not considered scientist unless they renounce God/religion.
I provided a story from the New York times to support this claim, Then you all support my assertion by calling into question this professor's academic abilities and over professionalism.
Scientists are not considered scientists if they don't do science. Trying to fit the observed facts to your already existing beliefs is NOT science.
(July 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: Everything that has been said by any of you has only supported my original statement. That you all believe that unless a 'scientist' renounces God he can not be a legitmate scientist. Therefore any polling with this prejudice setting the standard will be able to produce numbers that support the claim that their few if any 'true Scotsmen.'
Just a few scientists that have not 'renounced god' and are/were still great scientists:
Max Planck
Francis Collins
Kenneth Miller
Edwin Hubble
V.S. Ramachandran
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekh
Ooops, the last 2 believe in a different god than you do. Do they sill count?
But here's the thing that made them great scientists. They did NOT try to fit the facts to their existing beliefs.
I am really getting the idea you don't understand what the scientific process is, and why creationist 'scientists' are not engaged in that process.
Let us know if that is the case and we'll explain it to you.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 2, 2012 at 9:33 am
(June 30, 2012 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Probably because inorder for one to be considered a legit 'scientist' one must renounce God.
I see you are still dumb as a rock, Drippy.
That is an insult to rocks Min...  Just sayin.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 2, 2012 at 1:23 pm
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(June 30, 2012 at 10:02 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Christianity and science have never been in conflict. The real conflict is between interpretations of what we see, and in taking those interpretations beyond science. Speculating on the origin of various materials or processes is not science, it's history. You can't use the belief of Creation to help you in science, but you can't use the belief of Evolution to help you with science either.
Why don't you shut the fuck up, you ignorant and pretentious moron
Science is all about history. All things in science operate as function of time. All science is nothing more than a rigorous, versatile, and extensible description of rules governing how all things change with respect to time.
In other words, science is the tool and the only tool to describe all history at the most fundamental, all encompassing level. Building from bottom up, the "grass root approach", if you will. Science does not rest on the idiot levitated hearsay as transmitted by some lunatic "disciple". Science aims to descibe just what fundamental material - whether matter or energy, or anything else as we may find to have ever existed - there are or ever were during all existence, how each quanta of of said material behave now behave, or have ever behaved, or could ever have behaved; and whether any that ever exists could or could not have coalesced to form anything like what is transcibed in your pitifully elementary school notion of "history".
If science said no Alexander as could ever have existed could piss mercury or shine with a golden light, it doesn't matter if Plutarch or Polybius, for sakes of srgument, said Alexander "the Great" did. If science said no Jesus as could ever have existed could have ever been born of virgin, walked on water, turned water into wine, or risen from the dead, then Jesus "of Nazarath" did not, no matter what the bible says or idiots like you thinks. If science said you did not get here without 4 billion years of evolution, it doesn't matter what your conceive to be the inerrand word of what you conceive to be your god, evelution still took 4 billion years to achieve even such sorry result as you.
And all that science is, points to just what utter bullshit your bible is.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 10:23 am
(July 1, 2012 at 8:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (June 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Drich Wrote: To all who say scientist are always accepted on the merrit of their work:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19kentucky.html
Because the merit of his work is being effected by his beliefs.
How would you feel if there was a teacher at a medical school teaching 'The Curse Theory of Disease' because the Bible says diseases are caused by curses?
(July 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: You guys seem to be getting away from the question that was asked and the point being made.
Why aren't there more scientists that are Christian?
Stats were provided.
Point being made, Scientists are not considered scientist unless they renounce God/religion.
I provided a story from the New York times to support this claim, Then you all support my assertion by calling into question this professor's academic abilities and over professionalism.
Scientists are not considered scientists if they don't do science. Trying to fit the observed facts to your already existing beliefs is NOT science.
(July 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: Everything that has been said by any of you has only supported my original statement. That you all believe that unless a 'scientist' renounces God he can not be a legitmate scientist. Therefore any polling with this prejudice setting the standard will be able to produce numbers that support the claim that their few if any 'true Scotsmen.'
Just a few scientists that have not 'renounced god' and are/were still great scientists:
Max Planck
Francis Collins
Kenneth Miller
Edwin Hubble
V.S. Ramachandran
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekh
Ooops, the last 2 believe in a different god than you do. Do they sill count?
But here's the thing that made them great scientists. They did NOT try to fit the facts to their existing beliefs.
I am really getting the idea you don't understand what the scientific process is, and why creationist 'scientists' are not engaged in that process.
Let us know if that is the case and we'll explain it to you.
Schroedinger, Godel, Noether...heck, the father of the scientific method was Christian.
The Christian scientists I know see no problem with methodological naturalism. An atheist acquaintance of mine insists that being a Christian makes me a worse mathematician--that I'm somehow yielding my rationality. I don't think it's true, but what would I know? Crazy people don't know they're crazy, right?
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 11:15 am
(July 4, 2012 at 10:23 am)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 1, 2012 at 8:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Because the merit of his work is being effected by his beliefs.
How would you feel if there was a teacher at a medical school teaching 'The Curse Theory of Disease' because the Bible says diseases are caused by curses?
Scientists are not considered scientists if they don't do science. Trying to fit the observed facts to your already existing beliefs is NOT science.
Just a few scientists that have not 'renounced god' and are/were still great scientists:
Max Planck
Francis Collins
Kenneth Miller
Edwin Hubble
V.S. Ramachandran
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekh
Ooops, the last 2 believe in a different god than you do. Do they sill count?
But here's the thing that made them great scientists. They did NOT try to fit the facts to their existing beliefs.
I am really getting the idea you don't understand what the scientific process is, and why creationist 'scientists' are not engaged in that process.
Let us know if that is the case and we'll explain it to you.
Schroedinger, Godel, Noether...heck, the father of the scientific method was Christian.
The Christian scientists I know see no problem with methodological naturalism. An atheist acquaintance of mine insists that being a Christian makes me a worse mathematician--that I'm somehow yielding my rationality. I don't think it's true, but what would I know? Crazy people don't know they're crazy, right?
I would not say it makes you a worse mathematician. But yes, you do toss rationality into the shitter.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 11:19 am
(July 4, 2012 at 11:15 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: I would not say it makes you a worse mathematician. But yes, you do toss rationality into the shitter.
Do you see why a mathematician isn't going to care about what a scatalogically-inclined internet denizen thinks about rationality? What do you even know about reason?
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm
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I'm not too crazy about math either...but at least unlike religion it has some value and it has facts which can be demonstrated.
Religion...in case you forgot, oh math whiz, claims 1+1+1 = 1.
Work that out on your blackboard and get back to us.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm
(July 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm not too crazy about math either...but at least unlike religion it has some value and it has facts which can be demonstrated.
Religion...in case you forgot, oh math whiz, claims 1+1+1 = 1.
Work that out on your blackboard and get back to us.
Someone hasn't heard of Boolean algebra--where 1+1=1. Thus (1+1)+1 = 1+(1+1) (since + is associative in a Boolean algebra) = 1+1 = 1.
But hey, you took math in high school, so you probably know a lot about it.
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 4, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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RE: Why are there so few Christians in Science?
July 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Because Christians are retarded.
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