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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 4:45 am
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(July 3, 2012 at 2:34 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of God that can stand up to scrutiny?
Can anyone give a good case for the existence of a god?
The burden of proof is on the believer.
(July 3, 2012 at 4:42 am)LastPoet Wrote: Many have said it, the burden of proof is on the believer. It seems many religionists completely twist this notion around.
It's because they know they cannot meet the burden of proof. So they try to switch it around on us. Doesn't work though. 
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 4:57 am
Quote: Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of God that can stand up to scrutiny?
Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of Goblins that can stand up to scrutiny?
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 6:01 am
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(July 3, 2012 at 2:34 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of God that can stand up to scrutiny?
May I ask which god you are referring to, since there are literally a countless number of god and goddess people believe in. For the sake of convenience I am assuming you are referring to Yahweh.
An excellent book I would recommend for you to read about a good case for refuting the existence of Yahweh, is entitled "God The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 6:33 am
(July 3, 2012 at 6:01 am)Justtristo Wrote: (July 3, 2012 at 2:34 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of God that can stand up to scrutiny?
May I ask which god you are referring to, since there are literally a countless number of god and goddess people believe in. For the sake of convenience I am assuming you are referring to Yahweh.
An excellent book I would recommend for you to read about a good case for refuting the existence of Yahweh, is entitled "God The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger.
I can suggest an even better book for refuting the existence of yahweh.
It's called the bible.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 9:38 am
(July 3, 2012 at 3:44 am)Chuff Wrote: The burden of proof lies firmly with the theist.
Atheists have merely reached the blank slate starting point, we don't need to prove our position, it is a position of neutrality.
Now, if you wish us to give any credibility to your fantastical claims of a god, you must provide the argument in favour. Good luck
This is not an argument against God. See the reasons I mentioned in my first reply.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 9:40 am
You loose Jeff.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 9:46 am
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(July 3, 2012 at 3:51 am)Tempus Wrote: I'm not sure whether you understood the first sentence of my reply. It wasn't intended as an argument; it was, as you correctly identified, a statement.
In this thread, I am looking for a case against God. Cases require evidence and argument.
Tempus Wrote: (July 3, 2012 at 2:59 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Even if there were no good arguments for God, which I don't think I need to grant given arguments such as the Kalaam Cosmological argument and the Moral Argument (from the existence of objective moral values to God) it would not follow that there is no God.
You're right. If there were no good arguments (or any arguments at all) it wouldn't follow that there are no gods, since arguments don't affect reality. It would follow, however, that there's no good reasons to believe there are gods. Just because there's no good reason to believe X it doesn't mean that X isn't true. Observing this fact doesn't strengthen a case for gods any more than it does for a tooth fairy.
It doesn't follow that if we have no good arguments for God, (which I have not accepted) then there is no good reason to believe God exists. There are no good non-circular arguments for the fact that there is a past or that the external world is real.
Tempus Wrote:By the way, the Kalam and moral arguments suck, frankly. The former is like a child took a five minute crash course in philosophy and came up with it.
Then why are they debated in professional philosophical journals by world class philosophers, some of them atheists, who take them seriously?
To everyone who answered by saying that the burden of proof is on the theist, rather than repeating myself five more times, I would direct you to post #3 where I replied to this point.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 9:59 am
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 10:06 am
(July 3, 2012 at 4:57 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Quote: Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of God that can stand up to scrutiny?
Can anyone give me a good case against the existence of Goblins that can stand up to scrutiny?
Half of humanity believes that there is a God… and this has included such brilliant minds as Charles Darwin (a deist), Aristotle, William of Occham, Einstein, etc… However, no one I am aware of who was nearly this intelligent believes in Goblins. It is not the same thing. Furthermore, if I start asking questions like "where do Goblins live," and "why have there not been any reports of them on the news?" I bet I could make a good case against their existence.
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RE: A good case against God
July 3, 2012 at 11:06 am
(July 3, 2012 at 10:06 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Half of humanity believes that there is a God
So what?
Quote:… and this has included such brilliant minds as Charles Darwin (a deist), Aristotle, William of Occham, Einstein, etc…
Again.... so what?
Quote: However, no one I am aware of who was nearly this intelligent believes in Goblins.
Yeah, believing in goblins is silly, isn't it? (Cue the gong of irony).
Quote: It is not the same thing.
Yes, one is an obviously fictional creation of man and the other can be found in Halloween decorations.
Quote: Furthermore, if I start asking questions like "where do Goblins live," and "why have there not been any reports of them on the news?" I bet I could make a good case against their existence.
Where does "God" live? And why haven't there been any reports of him on the news?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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