Does the Bible Contradict Itself?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Isn't the OP intelligible? Or did I botch this discussion thread, too?

The question is not so much unintelligible as either dishonest or stunningly ignorant.

The Torah and the New Testament are replete with contradictions, errors and even forgeries. This is well known by real scholars,but denied by Christian apologists.


I've read quite a few of your posts. I have seen no evidence of a desire for honest scholarly discussion. All I see is a closed minded, dogmatic apologist who wastes everyone's time with his puerile claims. Please go sit in the corner with the other village idiots.

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Reference "Misquoting Jesus" Bart Ehrman.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why is a book by Bart D. Ehrman, a New Testament scholar at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.[1] The book introduces lay readers to the field of textual criticism of the Bible. Ehrman discusses a number of textual variants that resulted from intentional or accidental manuscript changes during the scriptorium era. The book, which made it to the New York Times Best Seller list, is available in hardcover and paperback.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misquoting_Jesus

Also perhaps try Googling 'biblical contradictions'. I did; 0.26 seconds; 1,555,000 hits''

The link below goes through a long list.


Here are a few of dozens.;

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/j...tions.html

[Reforged]

Honestly? I'm looking forward to his answer to mine.
I've never got one that didn't simply deflect the question, I am intrigued as to his response.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I am intrigued as to his response.

Jeez,ANOTHER masochist.

[Reforged]

I am intrigued as to his response.

Jeez,ANOTHER masochist.

If by that you mean I get a sick sexual thrill from mercilessly torturing theists foolish enough to defy me by relentlessly destroying their arguements until they're forced into a humiliating full retreat covered by crass insults and butthurt then you sir are a bigot, a blaggard, a porn-swan...











and 100% correct. :-)

[Mystic]

What is the end result of those whom believe in Jesus?
What is the end result of those whom disobey God's commands/teachings?
What happens when a believer in Jesus disobeys God's command?
What happens to those whom desire the life of this world?
What happens to a believer whom desires the life of this world?

I don't remember which verses said what where.

Thanks Mystic. Not sure about the first three. The last two sound like these words of Christ:

Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

(Matthew 10:39)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...on=NIV1984

Believers are promised salvation. Disobedient/desires of the life of this world from believers are promised damnation.

How can they be promised both salvation and damnation?

This problem also occurs in Quran.

[Cinjin]

Rayann ... always with the cool head and the no-nonsense response.

Nice job man.

[jonb]

I'm thinking this is not a place where people of different beliefs are welcome. Do you all enjoy just talking only with those who agree with you? Is it more of a support group than a debate forum?

Sorry I got the wrong impression when I walked in the front door. I'll quietly sneak out the back and avoid further awkward cold shoulders.

Take care. Still love ya' all.

You bad children look what you have done! Sherl O'Craps has gone off in a sulk now, and he only wanted you to play his game his way under his rules-

Oh yes, I remember now that's what I'm against. Carry on chaps, there'll be another bus along soon. Back to watching the Dillahunty video.

[Undeceived]

Heres two propositions throughout the Bible in numerous passages that contradict:
1. God is omnipotent, all-powerful and all knowing.
2. We have freewill.

How is knowing someone's decision the same as deciding for them?

[Minimalist]

1 Samuel 15

10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.”

How can your silly god regret anything. Surely, this "all-knowing" being knew how it would turn out when he picked fucking "Saul?" What's the point of being "all-knowing" if every time you turn around you are surprised that your fucking plans don't work out? Why didn't your boy pick "David" the first time around?

Oh, wait...

2 Samuel 12 7-11

This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’

11 “This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”

That didn't work out so well, either. Why is your god such a fuck up? Why does he always pick the wrong man? If he were the personnel director for my company I'd fire his holy ass.

[Cato]

How is knowing someone's decision the same as deciding for them?

You obviously don't get the subtleties of the free-will debate. If I assume your God for the sake of argument, we are left with a paradox.

This means that your God created me knowing that I would make the decision to deny him, his son, and the ever elusive holy ghost. God knew my punishment and knew my future decisions, but created me anyway. Where exactly was my choice in this scheme?

If there was a god, did you ever pause to consider that Christians were the butt of the joke?