Boris on Mitt Romney

[5thHorseman]

Ron Paul is not more sane than Obama. To think so shows enormous ignorane on your part, which is very, very surprising.

Paul lives in the land where education should all be private and you have to pay(something many could not), the same with all healthcare. He one of those douches who believes if you can't afford healthcare, you should die on the steps of a hospital, which ironically, would majoritively be his voters. Another reason to doubt his sanity. His America would be riddled with poverty and even less educated, something that too is detremental to an economy. And despite his principled(and i'll give him that one) behaviour in politics, the others politicians are not. The big businesses would trample all over the small ones like a hoover on dust, creating even bigger monopolies and even more price control. Not to mention wages staying stagnant for another 30 yrs.(but of course, the harder you work the more you get....... oh right.). Segregation would come back in, as he would repeal the Civil Rights Act, bringing back the 30's/40's back to the Deep South and other places that are still full of retards. He'd ban abortion too, creating a back street abortion clinic industry and many many unwanted births, yet again ironically, it'd be in the areas of his voters where it'd hit hardest.

That's the Ron Paul sane world.

Please switch the T brain back on, it's an incredibly formidable thing once it's warmed up

[Anomalocaris]

Right, and that doesn't make him insane. It makes him slightly ignorant of a subset of science. He is certainly not anti-science, being a medical doctor after all.

You means he is slightly ignorant of that subset of science which underlay the modern world view and technological society? You mean he is slightly ignorant of the fact that the world has passed a few years beyond the desert goati fucker stage or moral, social, economic, technological and scientific development?

Since when does one have to decline to benefit from science in order to be fundamentally anti-science and pro-bronze age ignorance?

There are plenty of accredited doctors who takes positions on issues in both medicine and elsewhere that can only be consistent with a repudiation of the basic foundations of science.

[Tiberius]

The ignorance is all yours. If you look at Paul's actual positions, especially when he goes into detail about them, you'll realise everything you've just said is ridiculous. He doesn't believe you should have to pay for everything, he doesn't believe you should die on the steps of the hospital if you are poor. He is against minimum wage because minimum wages increase unemployment, and employment is what the country needs right now...better to earn a little than to earn nothing at all. He is against segregation; he opposes the civil rights act because civil rights are already protected by the constitution. He's against abortion because he doesn't like the idea of innocent children being killed...neither do I.

[Autumnlicious]

Except that Paul doesn't take out the biggest loss of revenue for a state -- taxes on corporations. Show me where and I'll drop it, but I've not seen it. I could be missing something, considering I am casually posting while programming...

He focuses on "minimum wage" -- as if poor people need to have their cash income shrank!

I'd like to take head on your argument for "increases unemployment" with another observation -- indentured servitude increases employment by giving a contractual obligation for provisions, etc,.

My point being, "increases employment" is a goddamn canard if not qualified with what is both gained and lost.

If the lower middle class and urban poor have an increase in employment at the cost of shrinking the middle class by shunting into people into lower or poor classes, then it is a foolish thing to lobby for.

On the other hand, what possible argument can be made for allowing rich people who do not spend their capital to hold onto it? I think there is little, and all the more to be had with increased taxes on the wealthy.

They got all the cash. Now they can be American and contribute back to the community that nurtured them.

[Whateverist]

Touchy. Do you really think any more loyalty is owed to the government of the place where you are born than is owed to the religion in the household in which you are born? If so I would like to hear the rationale.

Completely vapid shit response. Cheery.


I stand for my country and state due to the values I've embraced and will fight for a progressive push in culture instead of cowardly figuring I can retreat to a country that is alien and unknown.

But most of all, most that you convieniently seem to omit, is that a country is made up of it's people.

Americans are of my people. And like family, I'll hold onto the relationship with all I got.

That's not a convincing argument for someone who doesn't feel that same way I do. I get it.

I advise those who don't to get the fuck out and stop raping our country for your opportunities if you don't want any skin in the game.

People who threaten to cut and run are the worst of all -- they try to force their will and then give up when it goes the other way. No conviction, no sticking it through.

Well I'm not one to cut and run but you've completely ignored my ill stated point. Patriotism then is what we are talking about. Pride in birth place, right or wrong apparently in your case. I see plenty to criticize in this country and I won't let a flag waving fundamentalist get in my way.

The nation you are born into is as big an accident as the religion you are brought up in. If you reject the latter but hang on to the former you are at least inconsistent.

Now I am at least as committed to the political process as you are but apparently for different reasons. You seem to bleed red, white and blue while I feel like a sane German citizen must have felt under Hitler. There is lots that is fucked about our country's relationship to the rest of the world to say nothing of how it handles its internal affairs. There is a lot to be ashamed of and I am. I'm committed to the political process because I think we owe it to the world to become a better international citizen and to reign in those who think pre-emptive military action is a valid defensive posture.

But I will never be patriotic and will continue to look down on those who are. Patriotism is essentially provincialism on a larger scale and no more laudable. If you disagree, you can start by telling me how the situation is different than not being loyal to the religion in which you're raised.

But I don't like your attitude. If you can't see the validity of my point of view you and your sort should leave. That is what you're saying to me so let me invite you to do the same. We have plenty of stupid in this country. Shape up or ship out.

[The Grand Nudger]

The ignorance is all yours. If you look at Paul's actual positions, especially when he goes into detail about them, you'll realise everything you've just said is ridiculous. He doesn't believe you should have to pay for everything, he doesn't believe you should die on the steps of the hospital if you are poor. He is against minimum wage because minimum wages increase unemployment, and employment is what the country needs right now...better to earn a little than to earn nothing at all. He is against segregation; he opposes the civil rights act because civil rights are already protected by the constitution. He's against abortion because he doesn't like the idea of innocent children being killed...neither do I.

Okay, it seems to me that we've been down this road before, and that when I personally looked into Ron Pauls positions (the last time you suggested this) I found precisely what I found the last time I looked (before you suggested this) -which was exactly the sort of shit that leads me to conclude that he's a nutbag in the first place? Personally, I think his positions are that of an individual who has realized the value of careful crafting views which are easy to weasel out of when pressed -all the while garnering support from exactly the sorts of people that this would appeal to -his sort of people-.

In other words, a polished politician with a clever pr dept.

Elaborate on this one, if you wouldn't mind. If someone opposes the civil rights act due to those rights being protected in the constitution in the first place, what is the benefit in repealing them -given that there is a demonstrated benefit in having them on the books-. Surely there must be a point in repealing them beyond "we don"t need them", clearly we did. I smell diversionary (and disingenuous) bullshit.

Maybe this one, Mr Paul is not for people dying on the hospital steps, because, you see, he believes in charity. Well, we also tried that too, and people died on hospital steps.

Ron Paul is against abortion because he doesn't .........well, good for Ron Paul, because our supreme court decided that abortion was not killing innocent children. That would be important for a rule of law and integrity of the constitution type..what SCOTUS decides.

Minimum wage increases unemployment, sure, I'll buy that one. Nevertheless, increase sub minimum wage employment (of which we already have a shitload -in case you were unawares- solves precisely what problem with employment?

Ron Paul is pandering to assholes, and he's selling it with a smile and a "principled stance" (hardly surprising). Well, I'm not buying what he's selling.

-Still a nutbag, imho-

-why oh why, btw Tibs, are you sourcing info about an American politician from his ad copy, you give our basic level of political honesty entirely too much credit I think, even the bad guys wear white hats round these parts amigo...........-

[Autumnlicious]

Well I'm not one to cut and run but you've completely ignored my ill stated point.

Yeah, the point where you attempted to make the claim that somehow the current government deserved loyalty.

I ignored it intentionally, as, frankly, I don't give a damn about the current crop of fools. I give a damn about the people who populate this current country and share the American values I've grown and accepted.

Patriotism then is what we are talking about. Pride in birth place, right or wrong apparently in your case. I see plenty to criticize in this country and I won't let a flag waving fundamentalist get in my way.

I am not "flag waving fundamentalist".

I am someone who takes talk of selling Americans down the river with distaste and disdain.

I enjoy the culture I live in and will fight to preserve it against severe damage.

The nation you are born into is as big an accident as the religion you are brought up in. If you reject the latter but hang on to the former you are at least inconsistent.

Good thing I base my factional loyalties on the culture I've grown, developed and accomplished in.

Now I am at least as committed to the political process as you are but apparently for different reasons. You seem to bleed red, white and blue while I feel like a sane German citizen must have felt under Hitler. There is lots that is fucked about our country's relationship to the rest of the world to say nothing of how it handles its internal affairs. There is a lot to be ashamed of and I am. I'm committed to the political process because I think we owe it to the world to become a better international citizen and to reign in those who think pre-emptive military action is a valid defensive posture.

That's right. Call "Nazi" on someone who cares more about the culture and the people.


You're a real class act.

But I will never be patriotic and will continue to look down on those who are. Patriotism is essentially provincialism on a larger scale and no more laudable. If you disagree, you can start by telling me how the situation is different than not being loyal to the religion in which you're raised.

And I'll proudly wax the asshole who sells out what I value heavily. I will devote every ounce of my being if necessary.

I do not see the military favorably. Enter a foreign invader, and that changes.

What do you value in this country?

What part of good fortune have you received from being part of this community that you will fight to preserve?

I see it the same way.

But I don't like your attitude. If you can't see the validity of my point of view you and your sort should leave. That is what you're saying to me so let me invite you to do the same. We have plenty of stupid in this country.
Shape up or ship out.

Sure thing, and I don't like your traitorous attitude.

Good thing America accepts all, right?

Even assholes who think that aiding a foreign power because a political group they don't gained control of the government.

You'd bring a foreign power to a civil war.

To hell with that.

[Minimalist]

Meanwhile....Romney continues to make a fool of himself.....

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/2...val-Office

Mitt Romney, speaking to a group of more than 200 supporters in hotel in the heart of London this evening, said he is “looking forward” to returning the bust of Winston Churchill to the White House after it was sent back to Great Britain by President Obama.

That's Obama showing off the Churchill bust to British Prime Minister David Cameron ... INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE.

So yeah, the bust was never "returned" to the UK. In fact, it was moved to the residence. In its place in the Oval Office, Obama placed a bust of Pres. Abraham Lincoln. Pretty sensible, right?

Which goes to show, only in America does the self-styled "patriotic American" party get insanely outraged when a bust of a foreign leader gets replaced with that of an American president. And a Republican president, at that.

And remember....Romney was the smartest one!

At least he didn't claim that Paul Revere warned "The British" (Palin) or the Founding Fathers "worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.’" (Bachmann) or claiming " that we fought the [American] Revolution in the 16th century" (Perry).

[Napoléon]

Back to Boris plz

[Whateverist]

Try to remember dear Brit cousins that Romney was the least crazy of the lot seeking the GOP nomination. The rest of them were out of their fucking minds.

Well, I'd suggest Ron Paul has a reasonable amount of sanity. Far more than Obama in any case.

Do you really have issues with Obama's sanity or intelligence? I get that you disagree with him on economics but beyond that I'd be curious to hear your critique of what is wrong with Obama's state of mind.

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Back to Boris plz

Has anyone suggested the nickname "Bore-us"? (Though in this pic it looks like you're boring him.)