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Implications of the Atheistic Position
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I agree in general that life is rather complex and that it's not possible to be on top and in control sometimes. It's definitely not impossible though but if you tell yourself that's the case then you've lost already.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 RE: Implications of the Atheistic Position
September 2, 2012 at 10:23 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2012 at 10:23 am by Jeffonthenet.)
(September 1, 2012 at 10:40 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: I agree in general that life is rather complex and that it's not possible to be on top and in control sometimes. It's definitely not impossible though but if you tell yourself that's the case then you've lost already. There are some things under our control and some things not. Essentially it is only our actions that are under our control. As I have gotten older I have realized more and more that many things are not under my control.
"the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" (1 Cor. 1:19)
 RE: Implications of the Atheistic Position
September 2, 2012 at 11:09 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2012 at 11:11 am by liam.)
Magnanimity is its own reward, not a means to an end. Doctor Lyotard called, the results are in, you've got a serious case of the post-modern condition.
Moreover, perhaps you ought to realise that determinism is not a true reflection of things but rather of your acceptance of cause and effect in your life, we have a fantastic ability to process and change things in life, the more you acknowledge your situation and attempt to change it, the more effect you have. In reality life is a simple series of equity transactions.
Religion is an attempt to answer the philosophical questions of the unphilosophical man.
 RE: Implications of the Atheistic Position
September 2, 2012 at 9:42 pm
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2012 at 9:42 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:Magnanimity is its own reward, not a means to an end. Another perception; That if there is any kind of reward for an action,that makes that makes the action self interested,and a means to end. That does not negate the morality of an action,as morality is based on pragmatism. Quote:Moreover, perhaps you ought to realise that determinism is not a true reflection of things Positive claim,attracting the burden of proof ,let's see it. My perception is that some form of determinism might indeed explain a great deal of human behaviour which ,in my experience is NEVER consistently rational. Perhaps read up on; Hard determinism, soft determinism and indeterminism.  The Wiki articles cited below,with criticism of each position, are a good place to start. 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Quote:Hard determinism (or metaphysical determinism) is a view on free will which holds that some form of determinism is true, and that it is incompatible with free will, and, therefore, that free will does not exist. It is contrasted with soft determinism, which is a compatibilist form of determinism, holding that free will may exist even despite determinism.[1] It is also contrasted with metaphysical libertarianism, the other major form of incompatibilism which holds that free will exists and determinism is false. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_determinism Quote:Compatibilism (or soft determinism) is the belief that free will and determinism are compatible ideas, and that it is possible to believe both without being logically inconsistent.[1] It may, however, be more accurate to say that compatibilists define "free will" in a way that allows it to co-exist with determinism (in the same way that incompatibilists define "free will" such that it cannot). Compatibilists believe freedom can be present or absent in situations for reasons that have nothing to do with metaphysics. For instance, courts of law make judgments about whether individuals are acting under their own free will under certain circumstances without bringing in metaphysics. Similarly, political liberty is a non-metaphysical concept.[citation needed] Likewise, compatibilists define free will as freedom to act according to one's determined motives without hindrance from other individuals. In contrast, the incompatibilist positions are concerned with a sort of "metaphysically free will," which compatibilists claim has never been coherently defined.[citation needed] Quote:Indeterminism is the concept that events (certain events, or events of certain types) are not caused, or not caused deterministically (cf. causality) by prior events. It is the opposite of determinism and related to chance. It is highly relevant to the philosophical problem of free will, particularly in the form of metaphysical libertarianism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_determinism |
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