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A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 9:03 am
(August 3, 2012 at 8:51 am)Chuff Wrote: man, wasn't the last thread enough ?

It's never enough!!!!

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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 9:04 am
There weren't enough opportunities to excuse the almighty in the last thread, and so we find ourselves here.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 9:09 am
I can watch the theists mental gymnastics for hours, seriously.

There are few things more entertaining.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 9:10 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 9:11 am by KichigaiNeko.)
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I really don't know Zen! How can you BE so patient with them??
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 10:15 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 10:24 am by spockrates.)
(August 3, 2012 at 8:20 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I think you need to loosen up spockrates Tongue

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(August 3, 2012 at 8:34 am)Zen Badger Wrote:
(August 3, 2012 at 8:01 am)spockrates Wrote: If death were a process, rather than an event, would the assertion of Genesis 2 still be untrue?
But please tell me: What do you think of the supposed contradiction I've mentioned?

Well spotted there young vulcan. And more evidence for the conclusion that the bible is just a collection of unrelated myths.

Death BTW is not a process, it is the end of a process, namely life.

Myths? Perhaps. Unrelated? That remains to be seen!

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Regarding the text you quoted, the Bible is pretty clear that death is a process. No need to quote verse after verse, but if you need one:

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

(John 6:53)

The living are not fully alive, he seems to be saying. Paul even goes so far as to say Pagans are walking dead!

I'm not saying the same of anyone here. Just making the point regarding the consistency of the biblical teaching that death is a process. We are all born to die, unless something is done to change this process.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 10:26 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 10:30 am by KichigaiNeko.)
Jawdrop Ewwww!! He is advocating cannibalism??

SHKEEEEFOOO!!! Eeeew
I would also like to point out that as iI understand it; that Paul partook of the sacred "pagan" mushrooms a little too much??
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 10:36 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 10:42 am by spockrates.)
(August 3, 2012 at 8:38 am)Skepsis Wrote: Why are Biblical contradictions so high in your list of "Things that deserve discussion"?
I'm not saying that the numerous contradictions don't warrant some kind of revealing, but why aren't the more... well... magical things in the Bible more appealing to you? Talking about how a magic God magically spoke to a prophet and deceived him contradicts how said magical being couldn't lie seems to be a bit out of focus. Shouldn't the first questions be "Is historical proof solid enough to show that magic occurred" or "Can it be said that God did anything at all in this series of events"?

Great idea! Please start a thread on that topic and invite me to join in.

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(August 3, 2012 at 8:51 am)Chuff Wrote: man, wasn't the last thread enough ?

The truth will be enough. The last discussion thread ended on a good note (love R & B) but the question remained unanswered. The passages I've discovered have more potential.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 10:41 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 10:45 am by Skepsis.)
(August 3, 2012 at 10:15 am)spockrates Wrote: Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

In other words, Jesus told his congregation "EAT ME!!" and they took him seriously.

Jesus was a professional troll, born before the internet age. What a pro.
Spock, what are you trying to discover? What questions are you looking to have answered? What about religion so provoked you to question as you do? Honestly it's quite admirable.
Still, I'm looking for the end point to this questioning. I can think of a number of things, but I don't want to put words into your mouth.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 11:07 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 11:12 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 3, 2012 at 10:15 am)spockrates Wrote: Myths? Perhaps. Unrelated? That remains to be seen!

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Regarding the text you quoted, the Bible is pretty clear that death is a process. No need to quote verse after verse, but if you need one:

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

(John 6:53)

The living are not fully alive, he seems to be saying. Paul even goes so far as to say Pagans are walking dead!

I'm not saying the same of anyone here. Just making the point regarding the consistency of the biblical teaching that death is a process. We are all born to die, unless something is done to change this process.

Nah, it's ambiguous on that point /sarcasm. There are no "real" or "significant" contradictions in the bible. You've made that perfectly clear as the judge of both counts (and the thread title left no room otherwise in any case). It's a wonderful exercise in confirmation bias though.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 3, 2012 at 11:26 am (This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 11:31 am by spockrates.)
(August 3, 2012 at 10:41 am)Skepsis Wrote:
(August 3, 2012 at 10:15 am)spockrates Wrote: Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

In other words, Jesus told his congregation "EAT ME!!" and they took him seriously.

Jesus was a professional troll, born before the internet age. What a pro.
Spock, what are you trying to discover? What questions are you looking to have answered? What about religion so provoked you to question as you do? Honestly it's quite admirable.
Still, I'm looking for the end point to this questioning. I can think of a number of things, but I don't want to put words into your mouth.

I would never equivocate, "eats my flesh" with "eat me" but the idiom of eating flesh and drinking blood was well known to his ancient Jewish audience to mean killing someone. However, in the context of the rest of John, chapter 6, the analogy doesn't seem to fit.

Some Protestants claim the words, "eats my flesh and drinks my blood" mean "believes in me." Catholics claim he was speaking of eating and drinking the bread and wine served at Mass.

The end game is to find the answer to the opening post. I want to examine the reasons why others believe I've found a real and significant contradiction.

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(August 3, 2012 at 11:07 am)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 3, 2012 at 10:15 am)spockrates Wrote: Myths? Perhaps. Unrelated? That remains to be seen!

Smile

Regarding the text you quoted, the Bible is pretty clear that death is a process. No need to quote verse after verse, but if you need one:

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

(John 6:53)

The living are not fully alive, he seems to be saying. Paul even goes so far as to say Pagans are walking dead!

I'm not saying the same of anyone here. Just making the point regarding the consistency of the biblical teaching that death is a process. We are all born to die, unless something is done to change this process.

Nah, it's ambiguous on that point /sarcasm. There are no "real" or "significant" contradictions in the bible. You've made that perfectly clear as the judge of both counts (and the thread title left no room otherwise in any case). It's a wonderful exercise in confirmation bias though.

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