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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 7:42 am
(August 14, 2012 at 9:51 am)jupitor Wrote: If you are studying the New International Bible, can you please glance through Matthew/mark/Luke/John.? In one verse it says Jesus is somewhere [I can't recall which town] and he is saying he is the son of God. A woman says...'but you are a Greek.'
Can you find which page/verse it is in please?
Is this the passage you mean ?
Spectator II: Hear that, blessed are the Greek!
Bearded Man: The Greek?
Spectator II: Hmm. Well, apparently he's going to inherit
the earth.
Bearded Man: Did anyone catch his name?
Bignose's Wife: You're not gonna thump anybody!
Bignose: I'll thump him if he calls me "Bignose" again!
Wiseguy: Oh, shut up, Bignose!
Bignose: Ha, right! I warned you! I really will slug you!
Saaah...
Bignose's Wife: Oh, it's the meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh,
that's nice, innit? I'm glad they're getting something
because they
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm
(August 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm)jupitor Wrote: (August 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: I would assume for the same reason He was incarnated as a man. so we would know and understand what was happening spiritually.
According to Revelations Christ still retains power and Authority as a member of the God Head, but we do not know what the full extent of His sacerfice meant.
The whole of the truth of the prophets is wiped out in revelations when God says he will send Satan to the four corners of the earth; there aren't any corners its a globe and God would know that if he created the universe. There are no corners on a football. I reckon the prophets were lying or deluded that God was speaking to them
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The bible wasn't written in mordern or even the kings english, and isn't meant to be taken literally. 'four corners' simply respersents the furthest known reaches of the world.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm
(August 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm)jupitor Wrote: The whole of the truth of the prophets is wiped out in revelations when God says he will send Satan to the four corners of the earth; there aren't any corners its a globe and God would know that if he created the universe. There are no corners on a football. I reckon the prophets were lying or deluded that God was speaking to them
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The bible wasn't written in mordern or even the kings english, and isn't meant to be taken literally. 'four corners' simply respersents the furthest known reaches of the world.
They thought the world was laid out like a carpet then, so naturally they would say four corners but God would have said round the earth. So the prophet was deluded/lying
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm
THEIR Known World...
That means Whether it be flat or round this statement covers the intended meaning for this passage.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 12:52 pm
It's still incorrect for a supreme being to say. He would have said round the world knowing he created it like that. In effect God didn't speak to anyone, it was all thoughts in the individual's mind. If one talked like that today, they'd be put in a home for mentally ill people.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm
What Drich is saying is that it was a figure of speech... Just like when I say there's a sea of people at a concert I don't mean that in any literal way.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 23, 2012 at 2:50 am
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 23, 2012 at 4:00 am
Quote:jupitor Wrote: The whole of the truth of the prophets is wiped out in revelations when God says he will send Satan to the four corners of the earth; there aren't any corners its a globe and God would know that if he created the universe. There are no corners on a football. I reckon the prophets were lying or deluded that God was speaking to them
To add insult to injury:
The Torah wasn't written down until the mid to late seventh century bce at the earliest. By that time, the Greeks were well aware the earth is roundish. It is not unreasonable to assume the literate Chinese and Indians were also aware.
The level of sophistication about the physical world absent from the Torah ( and Qur'an) reveals a great deal about the individuals and the society which developed that mythology.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 23, 2012 at 4:01 am
TheGreatestOfTheseIsLOVE... TGOTIL... Gotty; can I call you that? I read your post and I have to say you have a way with words that is pretty impressive. I wish I was more fluent when trying to get my points across like you are.
Speaking about points, I would like to hear from you about my thoughts on the topic: Jesus' sacrifice only makes sense if there was actually a god-man to sacrifice in the first place. From the research I've done, it seems like there was no such man. Even the NT itself lacks the evidence for such a man, and in my opinion, actually paints a whole different picture about what the early Christians believed. Why is it that Mark, the first Gospel written, originally had no resurrection accounts? Why did 'Matthew', a supposed witness, need to rely on Mark for his testimony (Matthew and Luke used Mark)? That's quite shocking for someone who was supposedly there for most of it. It seems like no author in the NT saw this god-man for themselves, and in fact, neither did any other historian of the time. There's no contemporary accounts whatsoever about Jesus and his one/three year ministry.
If anything, answer me this, because I've yet to hear any response from the theists on here: why does Paul claim his gospel came from no man, that he didn't get taught it by any man, but received it through revelation of Jesus Christ? Wasn't Jesus just on earth during his one/three year ministry?? To say that his gospel came from no man, but it did come from Jesus is telling us something very clearly; that Paul believed in a spiritual being, which makes perfect sense in reality. Jesus is simply nowhere to be found in history.
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RE: What was the actual sacrifice that Jesus made?
August 23, 2012 at 4:12 am
Oh for fuck sake! ANOTHER ONE.
@ TheGreatestOfTheseIsLOVE ; Kindly take your preaching about your tedious personal superstitions and blow it out your arse,there's a good chap..
As that was your first post,I have restricted myself to a coarse expletive and a mild insult. I have not yet said anything unkind. I'll leave that to Min, he seems to enjoy poking hapless apologists with a sharp stick 
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