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Free will and the Christian God
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 RE: Free will and the Christian God
August 29, 2012 at 11:57 am
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm by idunno.)
Free will is something I like talking about besides theology. Perhaps you could define your apples and oranges? Granted, omniscience is relatively strait forward, but "free will" not so much.
  (August 26, 2012 at 8:40 am)GodlessGirl Wrote: Free will, a beloved superstition, is an important concept to Christians because it justifies God condemning them to Hell. You are confused on the concept of free will and the application it has for mankind. The only true free will man has is the choice to love God or not to love Him, outside of that all bets are off, it's God's creation and He will deal with it as He sees fit for His righteousness. It's actually easy to see, God says He has won, Satan is defeated, and He has redeemed His creation ie. mankind.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (September 2, 2012 at 2:52 am)Godschild Wrote: You are confused on the concept of free will and the application it has for mankind. The only true free will man has is the choice to love God or not to love Him, outside of that all bets are off, it's God's creation and He will deal with it as He sees fit for His righteousness. It's actually easy to see, God says He has won, Satan is defeated, and He has redeemed His creation ie. mankind. If that's true then your god is even more vile and disgusting than I previously thought.  (September 2, 2012 at 2:52 am)Godschild Wrote: The only true free will man has is the choice to love God or not to love Him, outside of that all bets are off, it's God's creation and He will deal with it as He sees fit for His righteousness. It's actually easy to see, God says He has won, Satan is defeated, and He has redeemed His creation ie. mankind.If that's the case, then why do I have to find out about this god from other people, instead of him coming to me directly? Why is the system so people oriented?  (August 26, 2012 at 8:40 am)GodlessGirl Wrote: Free will, a beloved superstition, is an important concept to Christians because it justifies God condemning them to Hell. Hasn't this topic been done to death in recent weeks? "Free will" is not the ablity to pick fruit. The bible tells us that Free will is the ablity to seek atonement from sin. You are speaking of a greek philosphy that points to a freedom of a complete independant decernment from God. We have not been promised this gift, what's more this is not biblically based 'free will.' "Free will" allows one choice, and we have been given this life to make that choice. (September 2, 2012 at 4:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(September 2, 2012 at 2:52 am)Godschild Wrote: The only true free will man has is the choice to love God or not to love Him, outside of that all bets are off, it's God's creation and He will deal with it as He sees fit for His righteousness. It's actually easy to see, God says He has won, Satan is defeated, and He has redeemed His creation ie. mankind.If that's the case, then why do I have to find out about this god from other people, instead of him coming to me directly? It's not really a people system, actually it's not a system at all. God is the only way to salvation and He will come to you if you are willing, just remember God is omniscient and knows all your thoughts. If anyone is depending on a person for salvation, well they are starting off on the wrong foot. The church is the people of God, and He works through us to bring His good news to others, that is our primary purpose, it is God who redeems.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 Quote:The only true free will man has is the choice to love God or not to love Him, Well, then FUCK HIM. |
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