OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.

[Puddleglum]

OK Christians. Your chance. Convince me god is real.

Hint: I don't believe the bible is the revealed word of god so don't quote passages at me as if they are some sort of authority.

I'm an atheist. I have a degree in Philosophy so I follow logic. Don't bother with heartwarming stories or blackmail.

[Drich]

OK Christians. Your chance. Convince me god is real.

Hint: I don't believe the bible is the revealed word of god so don't quote passages at me as if they are some sort of authority.

I'm an atheist. I have a degree in Philosophy so I follow logic. Don't bother with heartwarming stories or blackmail.

You do know in Christianity it is not the 'Christian' who is to convince you of anything right? Our sole responsiablity begins and ends with directing those who want to know God to the path He perscribes to find Him.

That can done several ways. By, living an example. By Answering questions. By worshiping together. Or a combination of all three. Forcing someone to believe through badgering or make someone accept God's truth through Logic and philosphy is not consistent with the charge we have been given. We all have been given this life in order to make a choice as to where we wish to spend our time in eternity. If you choose in your heart not to want to be with God then it would be wrong to force you to accept Him. In short it is God's responsiablity to provide you what you need to acheive belief and help you maintain it. It is your responsiablity to ask, seek and knock for these things if you do not already have them. God makes a promise. If you hold up your end He will open the gates of heaven and to you and hold up His end.

[greneknight]

OK Christians. Your chance. Convince me god is real.

Hint: I don't believe the bible is the revealed word of god so don't quote passages at me as if they are some sort of authority.

I'm an atheist. I have a degree in Philosophy so I follow logic. Don't bother with heartwarming stories or blackmail.

You do know in Christianity it is not the 'Christian' who is to convince you of anything right? Our sole responsiablity begins and ends with directing those who want to know God to the path He perscribes to find Him.

That can done several ways. By, living an example. By Answering questions. By worshiping together. Or a combination of all three. Forcing someone to believe through badgering or make someone accept God's truth through Logic and philosphy is not consistent with the charge we have been given. We all have been given this life in order to make a choice as to where we wish to spend our time in eternity. If you choose in your heart not to want to be with God then it would be wrong to force you to accept Him. In short it is God's responsiablity to provide you what you need to acheive belief and help you maintain it. It is your responsiablity to ask, seek and knock for these things if you do not already have them. God makes a promise. If you hold up your end He will open the gates of heaven and to you and hold up His end.

Nobody chooses in his heart not to believe in God. It's just that God is playing such a wonderfully successful game of hide-and-seek that there is not the smallest trace of evidence of his existence. Anyone with some intelligence is bound to conclude that a being that claims to be all-loving, all-compassionate and interfering in human affairs and even answers prayers (can you believe that?) should at least leave a blazing trail of evidence of his existence. But to have zilch evidence speaks loudly of his non-existence. Atheists and rational Christians are just being honest when we dispute the supernatural bits of religion.

[Reforged]

Thats convenient.

[Whateverist]

That didn't do it for me. Still unconvinced.

[Cyberman]

Whatever happened to 1 Peter 3:15, Ditch? Shouldn't you "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you"?

[TaraJo]

I made this deal with the almighty a long time ago. I figure, if god is all knowing, it knows what criteria would have to be met to prove its existence to me. If god is all powerful, meeting that criteria is well within its reach. If god is as omnibenevolent as believers say and it tortures non-believers for eternity because of disbelief, logic follows that said god would be able to convince me of its existence and would be strongly motivated to do so. So far, I haven't seen any supernatural deity so much as lift a finger to reveal themselves to me.

So I made a deal with anything out there you might consider a god: show me that you actually exist and I'll worship you. I haven't had any responses; this silence leads me to believe that god either doesn't exist or wants me to believe it doesn't exist (and if my disbelief is part of god's plan, who am I to question gods plan?).

[FallentoReason]

@OP

If I were still a Christian I'd tell you that it doesn't work that way. You can't be convinced into believing something. Only you can take that last step which is the leap of faith from rationality to something that has no proof. Otherwise if knowledge was given to you then you don't actually 'believe' but just simply 'know' god is real. That's not how faith works.

[Cinjin]

A christian's sole responsibility begins and ends with judging, condemning and destroying anything that does not meet personal approval.
Because their god lobotomizes them upon entering heaven, they couldn't give two shits whether or not their own rebellious children "find god," let alone some stranger in cyber space.


Trust me Puddleglum, their god doesn't give a shit about you, if he did he wouldn't be constantly reminding you to "seek for him." He'd get off his lazy ass and save you like any REAL father would do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Plenty of christians would disagree with you even further, blathering on incessantly about all the shit they think they "know" about gods.

There are harder sells in the world, of course. I'd need a fair bit more than a demonstration of the reality of god to become a christian, for example.