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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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What I find very facepalmy (yep, I just made that into a word) is that sometimes the word for "hell" in the NT is ᾅδης (ades), which literally means HADES.
Yes Christians, it is good that alarm bells are going off in your head at this stage.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 10:39 am)Drich Wrote: I have never denied the reality of Hell. Matter of fact I even posted of my experience there. Where i speak of the reality of the horrors and my interpertation of what the orginal language was not strong enough to convey. i have never soften the blow of Hell. I only put the responsiablity of it back onto those who choose it. Round trip eh? Guess they don't keep those gates locked securely enough. What was the airfare like...in flight meal? Do they have first class seats or is it all economy? What connecter flights are there and where do they fly out of? Can I get to Hell from TIA direct, for example, or maybe my local FBO..or do I have to get to a hub first? I bet they service Logan Int....
Again, I choose not hell..and not your god. Just accept it and move along. If you're insisting that I am forced to take one or the other you are assigning victim status, not I. Had a wonderful and refreshing convo with a muslim friend of mine last night on this topic btw. Basic gist of it was that any muslim who says that those who do not believe are going to hell is talking directly out of their ass (since none but Allah could know who is or isn't going to hell). I like that interpretation, as opposed to yours Drich. In that intepretation god is not bound by some magical agreement to leveraging his own divine abilities in service to your own fantasies about what should happen to others immortal souls.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 2:32 am)Godschild Wrote: You said it yourself, we use the English word hell for the ancient words that represent that very place, so forget it and go on and grow up.
Huh? You sound a tad hostile, I wasn't being rude to you. Are you trying to say that because it wasn't officially named in the bible it doesn't even exist, or was this whole debate about its 'official' name from the start? If it's a matter of name, then sure, it wasn't called 'hell' in the bible, but it clearly was what we now call hell.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm)Doubting_Thomas Wrote: Drich, can I ask you: is that your personal interpretation of Christianity you are describing or the teachings of a specific offshoot? What I am teaching is biblically based Christianity. Many 'Non-denominational' brands of Christianity ascribe to this type of teaching. However not all agree on every single aspect or interpertation the basis for all understanding comes from the bible. The church I affiliate with is Harvest bible Chapel. Alot of the teaching in the way of Hell are found in the doctrines of HBC. That said my personal experiences are my own.
Quote:Also, are you saying that you have lived through hell?
Who said that i lived through anything. I was given an understanding when I A/S/K for God.
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Quote:Again, I choose not hell..and not your god. Just accept it and move along.
I have that is why none of my posts to this point have been directed at you in any way shape or form. It's interesting that you still felt the need to chime in.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 12:16 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 2, 2012 at 2:32 am)Godschild Wrote: You said it yourself, we use the English word hell for the ancient words that represent that very place, so forget it and go on and grow up.
Huh? You sound a tad hostile, I wasn't being rude to you. Are you trying to say that because it wasn't officially named in the bible it doesn't even exist, or was this whole debate about its 'official' name from the start? If it's a matter of name, then sure, it wasn't called 'hell' in the bible, but it clearly was what we now call hell.
I'm sorry, that was to be directed at "catfish," not you Darkstar, forgive me for my error.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm)Drich Wrote: I have that is why none of my posts to this point have been directed at you in any way shape or form. It's interesting that you still felt the need to chime in.
To remind you of how vacuous your comments are, even in the face of accepting the vacuous god claim at face value.
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 1:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: They provide bible passages with each point. It is true that they do not us the word 'hell', but what else could they mean when they say:
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Notice how it says the fiery furnace, and the lake of fire. This is not some generic fire, there is only one, and all of the unsaved are being thrown into it. The word 'hell' is not explicitly used, but it is clear that is what is meant.
Do you think they could have lied? Or are you supporting an "infallible" theory to debate against a Christian?
(October 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: What I find very facepalmy (yep, I just made that into a word) is that sometimes the word for "hell" in the NT is ᾅδης (ades), which literally means HADES.
Yes Christians, it is good that alarm bells are going off in your head at this stage.
I've been saying this since I joined. It's good to see an atheist pick up on it. I find it ironic how they are inadvertantly supporting a Greek myth...
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 8:17 pm
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(October 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm)catfish Wrote: Do you think they could have lied? Or are you supporting an "infallible" theory to debate against a Christian?
No, I don't believe that hell exists, or that these passages are telling the truth. But, one cannot deny hell and believe at the same time. Hell is there (for believers). So, they either have to admit that hell is in the bible, or that the bible is flawed. Why would a loving god send someone to hell for a finite crime?
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 8:18 pm
catfish Wrote:I've been saying this since I joined. It's good to see an atheist pick up on it. I find it ironic how they are inadvertantly supporting a Greek myth...
Exactly my thoughts. I bet the apologetic line is that God was simply speaking in ways that would be understood at the time...
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RE: And We're Back ... Awe Hell
October 2, 2012 at 8:25 pm
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