God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?

[Greatest I am]

This question is more for theists but if any non-theist disagrees with the Ted clip, please opine

God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?

The first principle or morality is Harm/care of children. It is highlighted by the trait of compassion.

God ignores this throughout the bible by killing many of the weakest, most vulnerable and innocent, ---- children and babies.

God is showing a cowardly trait that contains no compassion or morality.

Children cannot be guilty of sin yet God kills them.

Yet those of the Abrahamic cults, Christians, Muslims and other believers, do not reject this cowardly and immoral God.

Why not?

Regards
DL

This clip shows the first five principles of morality.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

This clip shows what some think of God killing children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

[festive1]

Don't forget rates of child and infant mortality, both past and present... In some countries today it's as high as 20%, the bulk of those deaths from preventable (with modern medicine) disease, dirty water, and poor nutrition, not exactly peaceful, non-suffering ways of dying. Interesting vids, thanks for sharing.

[Darkstar]

The only answers I've ever seen (other than flat out denial) were that 'they went to heaven, so who cares if they died' or something to the effect that god is infinite, so he must have a reason for what he is doing. Of course, they go into this with the unshakable preconcieved notion that god is omnibenevolent. If they were to examine his actions objectively for a moment, they would realize that their argument boils down to 'because he can, therefore it is morally correct, because he did it' when the same actions by another person would be seen as horrible.

HENCE:

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[Greatest I am]

Don't forget rates of child and infant mortality, both past and present... In some countries today it's as high as 20%, the bulk of those deaths from preventable (with modern medicine) disease, dirty water, and poor nutrition, not exactly peaceful, non-suffering ways of dying. Interesting vids, thanks for sharing.

My pleasure to see you see 20/20.

Regards
DL

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The only answers I've ever seen (other than flat out denial) were that 'they went to heaven, so who cares if they died' or something to the effect that god is infinite, so he must have a reason for what he is doing. Of course, they go into this with the unshakable preconcieved notion that god is omnibenevolent. If they were to examine his actions objectively for a moment, they would realize that their argument boils down to 'because he can, therefore it is morally correct, because he did it' when the same actions by another person would be seen as horrible.

Yes and the Christian----His laws are for us, not for him. He created us and owns us. Dumb to dumber.

Regards
DL

[JohnDG]

Based upon the christian definition of God he is everything, therefore he is me and you, angels and demons and Lucifer himself. He was never moral nor immoral nor does he care.

[Ryantology]

One frequent response is that we, as mere humans, are not fit to judge God because we cannot comprehend him. He is infinitely above our morality.

To which I say, God acts in such a way that would be acceptable to almost no mere human's moral code, no matter the origin of it. A perfect God should never behave in a way we would find morally reprehensible in a person. Such a being is unworthy of telling the likes of me, or anybody else, what is and is not 'moral'. Such a being is less perfect than I am.

[Darkstar]

One frequent response is that we, as mere humans, are not fit to judge God because we cannot comprehend him. He is infinitely above our morality.

To which I say, God acts in such a way that would be acceptable to almost no mere human's moral code, no matter the origin of it. A perfect God should never behave in a way we would find morally reprehensible in a person. Such a being is unworthy of telling the likes of me, or anybody else, what is and is not 'moral'. Such a being is less perfect than I am.

Good point. If he created us, then why did he give us different moral tendancies? Is this another 'test of faith'?

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[Greatest I am]

Based upon the christian definition of God he is everything, therefore he is me and you, angels and demons and Lucifer himself. He was never moral nor immoral nor does he care.

Yet he is motivated by something as he sure likes to kill us.
Good point though.

Regards
DL

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One frequent response is that we, as mere humans, are not fit to judge God because we cannot comprehend him. He is infinitely above our morality.

To which I say, God acts in such a way that would be acceptable to almost no mere human's moral code, no matter the origin of it. A perfect God should never behave in a way we would find morally reprehensible in a person. Such a being is unworthy of telling the likes of me, or anybody else, what is and is not 'moral'. Such a being is less perfect than I am.

Not bad but it does not refute their claim completely though.
Better to show that we can comprehend him and that he is not infinitely above our morality.

Use their bible against them. It says with God's own words that man can have his moral sense and knowledge. For they have become as God's, knowing good and evil. Gen 3.

That is knowing exactly what God does in moral terms.

Christians then either have to say the bible is wrong or shut up.

I have had almost all shut up. That is the only way to know they have been bested.

Good hunting. Your argument was sound but left some wiggle room.

Regards
DL

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Good point. If he created us, then why did he give us different moral tendancies? Is this another 'test of faith'?

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Please have a look at the post just above.

Regards
DL

[Drich]

God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?

'Morality' is an ever changing standard from person to person, culture to culture and generation to generation. So the the question should be 'who's morality' are you suggesting God follow and why? Why does this 'morality' trump all others? What authority is your answer based on?

The first principle or morality is Harm/care of children. It is highlighted by the trait of compassion.

God ignores this throughout the bible by killing many of the weakest, most vulnerable and innocent, ---- children and babies.

God is showing a cowardly trait that contains no compassion or morality.

Children cannot be guilty of sin yet God kills them.

If you had an oppertunity to Kill Adolph Hilter, Joesph Stallin, Hirohito/Emperor Shōwa, Mao Zedong, Kim Il sung as a Child knowing full well what they would accomplish as an adult, would you be obligated to kill them? Or would you wait till after these three men collibrated and kill 1/3 of the worlds population at the time they lived? would you sacerfice the lives of hundreds of millions for the sake of the philosphy you live by, or would you do something about it? what would your responsiablity be if you absolutly 100% knew that their was an entire race of people bent on the destruction of the world?

God is in a position to Judge our actions before we commit them. In the case of those races/clans He decided to wipe out He did so in order to perserve His chosen people. He knew that even if the imediate generation posed no threat, that one generation down the pike would. So in order to perserve His people and subsequently inorder to perserve the linage of Christ and salvation for the rest of the world some people (even children) had to die.

Yet those of the Abrahamic cults, Christians, Muslims and other believers, do not reject this cowardly and immoral God.

Why not?

Because we know not "all people are basically good." That all are intrinsically sinful and whether we die as a Child or as an old man we all still owe a death to the life we have been given, and it is up to our sovern God to tell us when our life is forefit.

Regards
Drich

[Darkstar]

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'Morality' is an ever changing standard from person to person, culture to culture and generation to generation. So the the question should be 'who's morality' are you suggesting God follow and why? Why does this 'morality' trump all others? What authority is your answer based on?

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Morality has indeed changed over the years, all the more reason to reject archaic biblical values. God doesn't follow anyone's morality. In his eyes, his will is 'morality', regardless of if it is actually moral. The authority upon which this answer is based is our own evolutionarily inbuilt notion of morality.

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If you had an oppertunity to Kill Adolph Hilter, Joesph Stallin, Hirohito/Emperor Shōwa, Mao Zedong, Kim Il sung as a Child knowing full well what they would accomplish as an adult, would you be obligated to kill them?

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Funny thing, god didn't feel any obligation to kill them. I think it's funny when people ask "well what if he grew up to be another Hitler" ignoring the fact that Hitler grew up. Do you honestly expect me to believe that every baby that dies because of god would be worse than Hitler?

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Or would you wait till after these three men collibrated and kill 1/3 of the worlds population at the time they lived? would you sacerfice the lives of hundreds of millions for the sake of the philosphy you live by, or would you do something about it? what would your responsiablity be if you absolutly 100% knew that their was an entire race of people bent on the destruction of the world?

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What race? You mean the white supremecist catholics, like Hitler?

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God is in a position to Judge our actions before we commit them. In the case of those races/clans He decided to wipe out He did so in order to perserve His chosen people. He knew that even if the imediate generation posed no threat, that one generation down the pike would. So in order to perserve His people and subsequently inorder to perserve the linage of Christ and salvation for the rest of the world some people (even children) had to die.

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Yet those of the Abrahamic cults, Christians, Muslims and other believers, do not reject this cowardly and immoral God.

Why not?

Because we know not "all people are basically good." That all are intrinsically sinful and whether we die as a Child or as an old man we all still owe a death to the life we have been given, and it is up to our sovern God to tell us when our life is forefit.

Regards
Drich

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...god is not basically good either. He judges us because he can, not for any other reason, like moral supremacy.