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Scriptures indicate that God knows that babies in the womb have not done anything good or evil. They also indicate that God hates some babies even while in the womb and innocent. It is also said that God creates us and our characters. Our characters, as we evolve, cannot help but do evil. God then is responsible for the evil that we will do as he has created our natures. Natures that we cannot help but follow.
We can blame our free will and the choices we make for the evil that we do but this does not explain why our God created natures decide to do evil. Theistic evolutionists try to explain this paradox but the average literalist or fundamental Christian does not follow their reasoning.
We have no choice and no free will to deviate from our God given sin nature and God would know this as it is was all planned. Jesus was to die even before man was created. That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin.
If we have no choice in following our sin natures, and cannot deviate from our part in God’s plan, then what is God’s reason for punishing us for being exactly what he created and programmed us to do?
That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin. He could not help but sin and neither can any of us. You cannot help but do evil and thus sin.
This is all rather abstract so if you like I will imagine a viable scenario for us to work with. We all know that many are starving to death in various countries. Imagine one of these starving children walking past a farmer’s apple tree. The child knows that if he steals the apples that the farmer’s family will starve to death. He or she has a choice of either stealing apples to prevent their death or not. The survival instinct being our first instinct, I think apples will be eaten.
That child’s God given nature will choose life, as all natures do by default, and eat an apple. Does that child deserve hell when it’s God given nature drove it to sin?
We cannot do anything but follow our basic God given natures. Do we deserve hell for doing so?
Is God’s punishment unjust?
If sin was required for Jesus to manifest, Adam had to sin. Would his punishment and death have also been unjust?
Did God, knowing Adam would be a sinner and cause God’s/Jesus’ death, hate Adam as well when he was creating him?
Regards
DL
This clip explains theistic evolution and how you cannot help but do evil and sin.
Please give scriptural evidence for your assertions, books, chapters, and verses would be appreciated. The reason I ask is because I do not believe you're correct in your assertions. To be able to discuss this, background to your assertion is needed.
Thanks
Gc
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
October 11, 2012 at 12:17 am (This post was last modified: October 11, 2012 at 12:18 am by Ryantology.)
It's a trick question, God hates babies because they are born with the Original Sin. Though I can't remember if all subdivisions of the Yahweh death cult believe in that or not.
I wonder if Original Sin begins at conception.
Quote:Do we deserve hell for doing so?
Nobody deserves an eternity of pain and torture for any reason.
(October 11, 2012 at 12:10 am)Godschild Wrote: Please give scriptural evidence for your assertions, books, chapters, and verses would be appreciated. The reason I ask is because I do not believe you're correct in your assertions. To be able to discuss this, background to your assertion is needed.
Thanks
Gc
Too fucking easy, G-C
Quote:2 Samuel 12
15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth[a] on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them.
October 11, 2012 at 12:31 am (This post was last modified: October 11, 2012 at 12:32 am by Darkstar.)
Some maintain that those who die in the age of innocence will go to heaven automatically. Which is why abortion is evil, but stoning unruly children is just fine. /sarcasm
(October 11, 2012 at 12:30 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Too fucking easy, G-C
Quote:2 Samuel 12
15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth[a] on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them.
18 On the seventh day the child died.
Haven't you ever read this shit at all?
They like to make us dig them up again each time and reprove old points, as if it adds to discussion. Maybe they hope we'll forget...
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
October 11, 2012 at 12:35 am (This post was last modified: October 11, 2012 at 12:35 am by IATIA.)
The babble god hates everyone. Babies are just easy.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
(October 11, 2012 at 12:10 am)Godschild Wrote: Please give scriptural evidence for your assertions, books, chapters, and verses would be appreciated. The reason I ask is because I do not believe you're correct in your assertions. To be able to discuss this, background to your assertion is needed.
Thanks
Gc
Your superiour scriptural knowledge should lead us all to the fact that your god doesn't give a fuck about a child until 'he' is at least one month old.
Care to swap book, chapter and verse regarding this one month prohibition of your god's love (babies and all)? Or will you just tell me to 'study' more after I again shove your own book up your sanctimonious ass?
Quote:The facts of the matter are that the Canaanites, whom God’s people were to destroy, were destroyed for their wickedness (Deuteronomy 9:4; 18:9-12; Leviticus 18:24-25,27-28). Canaanite culture and religion in the second millennium B.C. were polluted, corrupt, and perverted. No doubt the people were physically diseased from their illicit behavior. There simply was no viable solution to their condition except destruction.
Really, there is nothing more morally reprehensible than a bible bullshitter.
Quote:The facts of the matter are that the Canaanites, whom God’s people were to destroy, were destroyed for their wickedness (Deuteronomy 9:4; 18:9-12; Leviticus 18:24-25,27-28). Canaanite culture and religion in the second millennium B.C. were polluted, corrupt, and perverted. No doubt the people were physically diseased from their illicit behavior. There simply was no viable solution to their condition except destruction.
Really, there is nothing more morally reprehensible than a bible bullshitter.
My bold
There is a multitude of examples of omnipotence (impotence maybe?) like this. One would think their babble-god could come up with something better?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
