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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 16, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Quote:N.T. Wright has done an impressive amount of research regarding the resurrection and the cultural milieu it took place in. He notes that the most influential thinker of the time was Homer
What time was that? The general conclusion on Homer is that he lived sometime between 1200 and 600 BC with the period 750-650 being the most favored as that is when Greek writing began to emerge from the mists of time.
Like your jesus, though, there is more myth to Homer than reality.
In any case, apparently nobody but Wright ( who must thus be considered Wrong) places him in the first century AD.
As far as the jews go....
http://www.bib-arch.org/news/dss-in-stone-news.asp
there seem to have been splinter groups flying beneath the radar with some radical ideas.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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(October 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: They did write about it. Letters from the Saul of Tarsus, the historical biographies of Jesus life, they have been found and preserved. These are primarily historical documents.
It wasn't until later that the church compiled these into a book that we now know as the Bible.
Jesus
wikipedia Wrote:The Christian gospels were written primarily as theological documents rather than historical chronicles.
wikipedia Wrote:Separate non-Christian sources used to establish the historical existence of Jesus include the works of 1st century Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus.
So, we know that the Romans didn't hide Jesus's existence. But there are no Roman records of his miracles.
wikipedia Wrote:The historical existence of Jesus as a person is a separate issue from any religious discussions about his divinity, or the theological issues relating to his nature as man or God. wikipedia Wrote:A number of relics associated with Jesus have been claimed and displayed throughout the history of Christianity. Some people believe in the authenticity of some relics; others doubt the authenticity of various items. For instance, the sixteenth century Catholic theologian Erasmus wrote sarcastically about the proliferation of relics, and the number of buildings that could have been constructed from the wood claimed to be from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Christ.[328] Similarly, while experts debate whether Christ was crucified with three or with four nails, at least thirty Holy Nails continue to be venerated as relics across Europe. wikipedia Wrote:No documents written by Jesus exist, and no specific archaeological remnants are directly attributed to him.
Historical reliability of the Gospels
wikipedia Wrote:There is no archaeological evidence supporting the existence of a historical Jesus or any of the apostles, although various other details mentioned in the gospels have since been verified by archaeological evidence, such as the actual existence of the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate, the procurator who ordered Jesus' crucifixion, and the Pool of Bethesda.
Luke's reliability as a historian is questioned. Thomas Howe examined Luke's description of Paul's sea journeys, including Luke's references to thirty-two countries, fifty-four cities, and nine islands, and stated that he could not find any mistakes.[150] However Powell states that Luke’s knowledge of Palestinian geography seems so inadequate that one prominent scholar was led to remark “Jesus route cannot be reconstructed on a map, and in any case Luke did not possess one”.[149] Powell states that “if Luke intended to write history he did so poorly, but he did not so intend. Luke was a theologian, not a historian.[149][149] A narrative which includes supernatural phenomena such as angels and demons is problematic as a historical source."
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 20, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Quote:They did write about it. Letters from the Saul of Tarsus, the historical biographies of Jesus life, they have been found and preserved. These are primarily historical documents.
Copies of copies of copies bearing unmistakable signs of editing and ineptitude in the process.
Quote:When world-class biblical scholar Bart Ehrman first began to study the texts of the Bible in their original languages he was startled to discover the multitude of mistakes and intentional alterations that had been made by earlier translators. In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman tells the story behind the mistakes and changes that ancient scribes made to the New Testament and shows the great impact they had upon the Bible we use today. He frames his account with personal reflections on how his study of the Greek manuscripts made him abandon his once ultraconservative views of the Bible.
Since the advent of the printing press and the accurate reproduction of texts, most people have assumed that when they read the New Testament they are reading an exact copy of Jesus's words or Saint Paul's writings. And yet, for almost fifteen hundred years these manuscripts were hand copied by scribes who were deeply influenced by the cultural, theological, and political disputes of their day. Both mistakes and intentional changes abound in the surviving manuscripts, making the original words difficult to reconstruct. For the first time, Ehrman reveals where and why these changes were made and how scholars go about reconstructing the original words of the New Testament as closely as possible.
Ehrman makes the provocative case that many of our cherished biblical stories and widely held beliefs concerning the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the divine origins of the Bible itself stem from both intentional and accidental alterations by scribes -- alterations that dramatically affected all subsequent versions of the Bible.
Basically, the whole fucking thing is a fraud.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm
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Textual variants in the New Testament
The sheer length of this page tells you something is seriously wrong with the NT.
Quote:Since the advent of the printing press and the accurate reproduction of texts, most people have assumed that when they read the New Testament they are reading an exact copy of Jesus's words or Saint Paul's writings.
Even though Jesus never wrote anything...
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