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why there is a need to see in order to believe?
#31
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
(October 12, 2012 at 10:38 am)wkl6644 Wrote: Unserved justice is acceptable in animal kingdom but not in human race. Every single sole is accountable for what they do in their lifetime

What you label "human need" is in fact just a simple desire, and the cosmos cares not for what humans desire.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#32
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
So then western powers meddling so much of the affair of other countries and getting a terrorist backlash in return. And continue on to wage wars to get even against each other be regarded as desire for justice. It is not a desire It is a need. Just like food. You upset that need then chaotic come s in. No one will follow rules and order.
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#33
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
What the fuck does that have to do with proving the existence of some almighty being?
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#34
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
I'm the almighty, fear me! Big Grin
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#35
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
(October 12, 2012 at 10:11 am)wkl6644 Wrote: You are not suggesting unpunished criminal will not undergo any kind of punishment after death..are,'t you. It would not make sense and against logic

How is it against logic? Wouldn't it be against logic to assume that people who are already dead are somehow magically punished? What about criminals who are executed; they were not unpunished, but they still go to hell. What if it was a crime to breathe but no one was convicted for it. Would we all go to hell? What about Hitler?



I think you need to better clarify who goes to hell, and defend a justification for using infinite punishment for a finite crime.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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#36
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
Are we talking to a creationist bot?
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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#37
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
(October 12, 2012 at 11:07 am)wkl6644 Wrote: So then western powers meddling so much of the affair of other countries and getting a terrorist backlash in return. And continue on to wage wars to get even against each other be regarded as desire for justice. It is not a desire It is a need. Just like food. You upset that need then chaotic come s in. No one will follow rules and order.

Yes, food is a need. Without it, you will starve. Some people do starve. It doesn't follow that there is an afterlife, or that it will have food.

Even if justice is a need, it doesn't follow that it is fulfilled in an afterlife.

There's no reason to expect that we always get what we need or deserve. This life tells us different.
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#38
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
(October 12, 2012 at 12:17 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Even if justice is a need, it doesn't follow that it is fulfilled in an afterlife.

There's no reason to expect that we always get what we need or deserve. This life tells us different.

Unfortunately, the fantasy afterlife created by religion can do whatever it wants, so if it is said to give 'justice', it will do just that. Too bad biblical justice means hell for atheists, people of other religions, homosexuals, blasphemers of the holy spirit, etc.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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#39
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
I believe our actions influence the shape of our souls. Having a bad/ugly soul is bad enough, even if it is later reformed, because our actions are forever part of our identity.

I'm not to sure whether there will be punishment or not in the next world, but I side on the side of merciful compassion forgiveness and forbearance, but for certain, the punishment of torturing a person for eternity is just wrong.

Torture is just something you would not expect from a moral being.

The way I look it at, there is enough harm in a person whom choses to be evil, in his very evil existence, that I would side on a reformation plan at the end of it, because I feel if it was myself or my child or parent or sibling, I would want mercy and compassion to be the motive on their destiny.
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#40
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
(October 12, 2012 at 6:10 am)wkl6644 Wrote: Any athiest can answer the above

I have a white unicorn living on my property out in the sticks.

Now, I can say this, do you believe me? I can send you a picture, will you believe it? I can invite you over to my property to SEE it, will you believe it then?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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