Why Yahweh? (Or Allah, or Zeus, etc.)

[John V]

Not in its entirety...

It has multiple references to miracles performed by NT authors.

Which prompted me to find this:http://www.answering-christianity.com/je...racles.htm. What makes Jesus so special, then?

First, my malware software said this site was unsafe, so I didn't see it.

Second, I generally don't respond to "arguments" which are just a link. I expect you to quote or summarize the relevant material. (Youtubes are straight ouot of the question!)

I'm just going by their reasoning...I don't agree that it is evidence either.

OK.

Oh wait, isn't that an argument from silence to say that because we haven't found that text, it probably doesn't exist?

It would be if I made that argument. I made the positive argument that the earliest Christian documents contain the miraculous. Critics can and do speculate that such texts existed, but the burden of proof is on them.

Does that mean I can say that the Romans never wrote about Jesus performing any miracles, and because miracle claims of the time were common, that means he probably didn't perform any?

Sure - all you need to do is show a whole bunch of Roman contemporaneous documentations of foreign religions' miracle claims in the first century, and you'll have a valid argument from silence. We've been over this already.

[The Grand Nudger]

Who gives a shit? Miracles =/= a god.

[Minimalist]

According to Islam, the very writing of the Qur'an was a miracle

Only if you take their silly version of it at face value. No religious claim can be allowed that kind of latitude.

All believers are full of shit.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure - all you need to do is show a whole bunch of Roman contemporaneous documentations of foreign religions' miracle claims in the first century, and you'll have a valid argument from silence. We've been over this already.

Herp derp, we -have- been over this. What do you think casting lots and fortune telling is? Still waiting to see how miracles get tied to a deity btw.

[Darkstar]

Which prompted me to find this:http://www.answering-christianity.com/je...racles.htm. What makes Jesus so special, then?

First, my malware software said this site was unsafe, so I didn't see it.

Second, I generally don't respond to "arguments" which are just a link. I expect you to quote or summarize the relevant material. (Youtubes are straight ouot of the question!)

It basically said that because people like Moses were given the power to perform miracles in the name of god, then Jesus's miracles do not prove his divinity any more than the parting of the red sea proves Moses's. Jesus was not the only person to be raised from the dead on the day of his ressurection, so this too does not show that he is divine.


This is the conclusion to the linked article.

So what are the Miracles of Islam and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? As we've seen above, many of Allah Almighty's Messengers performed miracles to prove to their people that they were Truthful and were indeed sent by Allah Almighty. But however, these wonderful Miracles died when their Prophets' died. They are not useful for us today.

The Miracle of Islam, however, lives until today. It is in the Noble Quran. The Noble Quran is Islam's Miracle, and it is the True Revelation of GOD Almighty. The Noble Quran is not just made up of stories and narrations as the Bible is. There is no Miracle in that. The True Miracle of the Noble Quran is it's Truth about instructing the Muslims to worship non but Allah Almighty: the True Living GOD Almighty, and to associate no partners with Him

I'm not saying that they are making a good case for miracles actually occuring; I'm just saying that Christianity isn't necessarily making a better one.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index....&id=175671

Allaah The Almighty supported His Prophets with miracles, which are extraordinary events that are usually of the same nature that the people of that particular prophet excelled at. For instance, the people of Prophet Moosa excelled at magic, so the miracle of Prophet Moosa was that he threw his staff and it turned to a serpent. Likewise, the people of Prophet ‘Eesa excelled at medicine, so Prophet ‘Eesa cured the blind and the leper, and gave life to the dead by the permission of Allaah The Almighty. The Arabs excelled at poetry and rhetoric and therefore Allaah The Almighty sent them the Quran and it was a miracle that they were not even able to compose one Soorah (Chapter) like it.

Here, the miracles of pre-Muhammad prophets are briefly explained.

[Minimalist]

It basically said that because people like Moses were given the power to perform miracles in the name of god

Oh, now all you need to do is demonstrate that there was any fucking "moses" and your halfway there.

Too bad for you that 200 years of excavating in Egypt have trashed the whole idea of the fucking exodus.

Just more shit...like your so-called resurrection, I'm afraid.

[Faith No More]

Remember, I started the line on miracles by noting the principle that extraordinary claims (such as a revelation from god) require extraordinary evidence (such as miracles).

So, your extraordinary "evidence" is another unsubstantiated, extraordinary claim? Do you not see the problem here?

[Minimalist]

I'm guessing "no."

[IATIA]

Why are atheists voting, though? (Two have so far)

For me, When I clicked on the thread, the first thing I saw was the post and I voted.

As there was an acceptable choice for those that reject the claim of the existence of a god, I felt it was a no-brainer.

Most, if not all theists, tend to reduce their god to the petty levels of mere mortals.

[Cinjin]

How do I know this to be true? Because God said so. ;P

"Because God I said so."

Exact same person.