the maintenance of civilisation provides "value" to life, as the collaboration of it`s various participants sets value on these participants.
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Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong
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Way to drive right through being called on such obvious BS. There have to be trees for there to be a forest.
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 (November 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: the maintenance of civilisation provides "value" to life, as the collaboration of it`s various participants sets value on these participants. If this is true, than any man outside of civilization has no value. But this is clearly not the case.
Only if civilization were the only avenue to value Vinny.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
TGAC mentions only civilization. Do you disagree with him?
Doesn't matter if I do, you excluded any other avenues for reasons you did not state in criticizing the one he -did- mention. Did he state that civilization was the only avenue to value Vinny? I don't see that he did.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
If when talking about people who exclude themselces from civilisation you mean the redneck fool who chooses to live in the forest or the tinfoil homeless guy - you are nitpicking.
(November 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: If when talking about people who exclude themselces from civilisation you mean the redneck fool who chooses to live in the forest or the tinfoil homeless guy - you are nitpicking. Not at all. Your claim makes the value of human life dependent on civilization. So if civilization is not maintained, then people are justified in devaluing human life. Your position fails to accomplish its intended goal: to preserve the value of human life. Do you have any other appeal to make to rescue your position? RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong
November 20, 2012 at 7:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm by Something completely different.)
Jep. Civilisation is maintained.
To argue that human life is worth nothing "when civilisation fails" is useless theoreticising over things which do not matter. When will civilisation no longer be maintained? After global warming, when I can book a scubadiving tour of Holland? When zombies roam the planet? When nuclear war comes? When the nazis resurect a cyborg Göring? When the Borg attack? After the Chinese have enslaved us? When the Germans are coming? Should any of these or other apocalyptic event occure, I shall consider the concept of social darwinism to save my own ass. (November 20, 2012 at 7:52 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Jep. Civilisation is maintained. As long as civilization can conceivable be in a state of "non-maintenance", human value, according to you can conceivably be worth the same as dog feces. This unfortunate "theoreticising" is the inconvenient truth of ascribing meaningless value to human life. We are all just matter, nothing more. |
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