IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL

[Lion IRC]

If God didnt care about us, we wouldnt be here.
The not everywhere in the universe is finely tuned for our existence.

This assumes the following (which are rather bold assumptions):
1. God exists
2. We could not survive in a different universe
3. A dramatically different universe could not have a different form of life that might ask these same questions, assuming that its own universe configuration was the only working one

1. God exists

(As per the premise of the Op)

2. We could not survive in a different universe.

(Thats not a bold assumption. Human science is quite detailed on what is needed for human life on earth.)

3. A dramatically different universe could not have a different form of life that might ask these same questions, assuming that its own universe configuration was the only working one.

(A dramatically different form of life? WHAT? You mean like angels, ghosts, demons, discarnate consciousness....)

[Minimalist]

G-C thinks that anything written in his fucking bible is true. It is part of the delusion that religion sells.

He is not alone. There are plenty of muslims who think their quran is similarly dictated by god or mormons who think their bullshit is real.

But G-C and others of his ilk refuse to learn the lesson of that and prance merrily on shouting "our god is god" at the top of their lungs and looking like fucking morons in the process.

[SpecUVdust]

Yeah this would be difficult huh? :
Around 2000 yrs ago (a mere few thousand yrs after the creation of the earth, man, etc. Lol), men wrote down the nonsense they chose to for whatever dumb ass reason(to pretend they had "answers"). Knowing they had indeed made it up , they PREDICT with conviction that fewer will know of it "in the end" (logically, and obviously, something will sort of wither away before it dies. They predicted nothing more than the obvious: everything untrue will wither away and die).

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Seriously GC, you being one of the "dying breeds" should certainly be able to generate more of a defense than this??? I feel so empowered by this knowledge. Thank you

[Ryantology]

God is capable of making enough food, and your socialist view would have you to condemn Him for not doing something that's man's responsibility. If you had knowledge of the scriptures you would know God gave man dominion over the planet, so it is us who have the responsibility to provide.

Oh shit, I'm a socialist now, because I think a being who has the ability to provide endless resources has a responsibility to provide enough to satisfy the needs of all his children. What does that make you, justifying the deadbeat dad and blaming the children?

Oh, right, a Christian.

Man's greed, laziness and uncaring ways have brought this upon the world. Isn't this the real world view you should have as a nonbeliever.

That has a lot to do with it, yeah. There's a lot of misfortune which can't practically be avoided, too. If I held the delusion that there was a God, I would have to blame that misfortune on him, even the manmade variety, because God made man the way man is. You can't claim credit for creating everything in the universe and then say "well, except for all the bad shit".

This is about the dumbest statement I've ever heard, you do not even know what free will is, so how is it you expect a 2 year old child to understand, you must believe it could to make such a statement.

I know a child can't understand, but unlike your murderous cult, I don't blame the suffering of children on their sins, nor do I justify their suffering by pointing out the sins of adults. Your God obviously does, since he allows millions to suffer and die terrible deaths when he could stop all of it.

People are suppose to be helping each other world wide, but instead the rich are getting richer and the poorest suffer. Christianity does more to help the poor of the world than any other organization, so don't tell me God does not work to help.

Christianity, and the other major death cult of Yahweh, are responsible for much of the plight of the poor. The death of millions of Africans due to AIDS is almost completely the fault of Christian taboos against contraception. Christian-inspired goons from centuries past are what wiped out much of Native America and led Africa to become the war-torn hellhole it is today.

All that 'good' your death cultists do doesn't even begin to make up for all the misery they've spread over 2000 years. Christian charity is a drop next to the oceans of blood they've spilled.

I'm just saying, if I had the power to feed and make safe every person on earth with a snap of my finger, I would do it without a second's hesitation. Your God is alleged to have this power and just lets them suffer.

This is worse than the above statement, you're going down hill quickly, better grab hold of some reasoning and hang on. Omnipotence means the ability to do all that is possible, not that everything is possible, that kind of thinking does little to make you seem competent.

Ha, you preaching to me about reason.

A god who created all of the universe and is bound by none of its rules should have the ability to do anything. If he is bound to do only what is 'possible', then it is obvious that your god is not all-powerful and all-knowing.

I know you're an idiot, one who cares nothing for humanity. Only a really disturbed person can make such a statement.

Disturbed people make statements like that. Many of them were authors of the Bible.

Don't blame me just because you don't like the truth of your horrifying faith revealed to you.

[Darkstar]

1. God exists

(As per the premise of the Op)

2. We could not survive in a different universe.

(Thats not a bold assumption. Human science is quite detailed on what is needed for human life on earth.)

3. A dramatically different universe could not have a different form of life that might ask these same questions, assuming that its own universe configuration was the only working one.

(A dramatically different form of life? WHAT? You mean like angels, ghosts, demons, discarnate consciousness....)

As per the premise of the OP, gotcha. As for different, I meant slighly different. As for angels and demons, do you mean to suggest that they could exist in a different universe? But then they wouldn't be in this one, unless you count heaven as a different universe, but then how could they come to earth? I meant more like silicon based life forms (which would be the most common alternate proposed) but there could be others. As for non-physical...I don't think that is possible.

[Angrboda]

This thread has become decidedly depressing.

Anybody who can't see through the self serving sophistry of "the wisdom of the wise is made foolish" and such is obviously still struggling to respond to the question, "I know you are, but what am I?"

Here, let me write something prophetic! "There will be a group in the land that call themselves Christians and following a book called the bible, and this shall be a sign that only atheists know the truth about God." Poinh! Shunn the unbeliever! You think you know about God, but this here prophecy makes clear that because you exist, you don't know about God. (God's honest truth.) The goddess has spoken, it must be true!

I'm guessing GC didn't get to exercise the buying power of his lunch money very often as a child.

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For what it's worth, I think the notion that the growth of reason will extinguish the flickering candle of faith is an overly optimistic one. There are reasons underpinning the existence of religion, imo, that aren't going to go away as a result of the encroachment of reason. Though I think the trend towards greater secularism and tolerance of diversity will continue. Perhaps it's hard for me to be objective, but my take on the science is that it isn't the Good News versus the Good Word of atheism. Moreover, I was born a child, became a theist, became an atheist, became an atheistic religious person, and then embraced a new deity from a radically different tradition. The reasons and substance of these changes are not something I intend to discuss, but I doubt many would accuse me of being unintelligent or deluded or brainwashed in the sense that your "reason shall overcome" thesis would seem to require me to be to explain my theism. Then again, I am profoundly mentally ill, and never have considered myself particularly rational. Go figure.

[SpecUVdust]

." Though I think the trend towards greater secularism and tolerance of diversity will continue."

...you don't agree , yet you say this??? Sorry, sounds like you agree.

[Angrboda]

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you. Your argument seems to presuppose defining religion as unreason and irrationality, and therefore your notion that the world is becoming more rational means the end of religion. This makes your argument little more than question begging.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm curious, how is it a double standard on the Christian's part to blame man, when the original story shows man is responsible.

They ate the forbidden fruit but it wasn't until afterwards that they had any knowledge capable of judging right from wrong. So how were they morally responsible?

[SpecUVdust]

It's statistics, apo, that's all. It is evolution. Christians tend to be comfortable waiting. Would a Christian willfully leave (gods favorite planet) earth? Evolution will probably eventually require this. But it's cool if you don't like semantics. Personally, I think it's fun.

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As I've said before, the bigger question is "who tempted satan?"