Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

I don't pay Rhythm much attention. He's an idiot.

It's nice to see Christians and atheists having meaningful discussion though.

I must revert to christianity. Tyrants throughout the ages invoked the divine right of kings. These bastards had court jesters and all we get is Vinny.

Don't forget me when you become the greatest jester in Hollywood.

[Faith No More]

The message has to be consistant with the bible.

So, as long as the message you perceive can be shoehorned to be consistent with the bible it must be of divine origin, or is there some other criteria?

And have you ever considered that you are confusing the noise for the signal?

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I don't pay Rhythm much attention. He's an idiot.

[Drich]

I shot this down before you could get it out and you did anyway, the first chance you got.

Again Unless one is an OT Jew the passage in Deut: 13 does not apply. that is what is meant by being consistant with the bible.

Okay, Is suppose this particular law isn't one of the universal ones. Had you posted this passage

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Deuteronomy 12:1

The One Place of Worship

12 These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land.

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earlier, it would have cleared things up. Nonetheless, it is consistent with Yahweh's morals (worship me or die and burn forever). Which is why Jesus kind of skipped over some OT laws. But...how did we get on this subject again?

Again 'Jesus does not skip over any laws' Because within the laws itself their is a provision to off set sin with a blood sacerfice. (That is why God just can't grant you magical forgiveness.) With this attoning sacerfice on is no longer bound by the law as a way to obtain righteousness.

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So, as long as the message you perceive can be shoehorned to be consistent with the bible it must be of divine origin, or is there some other criteria?

Like what?

And have you ever considered that you are confusing the noise for the signal?

The 'sheep' know the Shepards voice. So, no.

[Faith No More]

Like what?

I don't know, which is why I'm asking. I'm just wondering how you would determine a random circumstance that you happened to be able to interpret as consistent with the bible from guidance from god, or are you simply asserting that if it is consistent with the bible, it must be guidance from god?

The 'sheep' know the Shepards voice. So, no.

So, you are certain that you interpret things correctly, because you have certianty in your ability to interpret things correctly? Have you been able to confirm this outside of the bible?

[Cinjin]

The holy spirit told me that Mexico is full of Catholics and that he hates catholics and that I should get an army together and go down there and kill every man, woman and child I can find. He told me not to spare anyone because they're influence could poison the minds or our good people. Bonus though, he said I could keep the land they live on and the possessions that they own. Perk.

What? You don't believe me?!!? How dare you!?!
If I was a 2000 year old tent maker and you were as big a dolt then as you are now, I'd already have you cutting babies out of their mother's bellies.

You see, the holy spirit speaks to ME ... he DOES NOT speak to the likes of YOU! You can't question this. I KNOW it to be completely real and authentic. What?! You still don't believe me?!!? It's time for you to die. My holy ghost does not appreciate your lack of belief. You are unworthy to be in our cult of love and obedience and we are going to have to kill you.






I know I know ... you don't believe me. It's just absurd. Yet, if the exact same thing is written 2000 years ago, it's totally believable. It's the ultimate hypocrisy: "I totally believe the Bible, but I would never do the atrocities today that god commanded them to do."

[Kousbroek]

I shot this down before you could get it out and you did anyway, the first chance you got.

Bull .. you shot yourself in the foot you mean.

FNM asked: "What is your criteria for determining natural phenomena from that of divine origin?"

You answered: "The message has to be consistant with the bible."

Claiming a natural phenomenon has a divine origin needs some phenomenal evidence imo.

And your evidence is waving an ancient book, a bundle of cherry picked stories, most of them changed many times, in my face.

Oh yeah, you are one rational human being ... ( idiot )

[Darkstar]

Again 'Jesus does not skip over any laws'

Suspend?

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Luke 6:6-10
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath

6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

3 Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 5 Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.

9 Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”

10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

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He is right, though. There is no good reason to stop him from helaing people on Sundays just because it is work. Of course, that indicates a flaw in the law, then. If picking up sticks is enough work for god to personally condemn someone for this, then surely this is work also.

Because within the laws itself their is a provision to off set sin with a blood sacerfice. (That is why God just can't grant you magical forgiveness.) With this attoning sacerfice on is no longer bound by the law as a way to obtain righteousness.

God is incapable of changing that rule? He's not omnipotent, then.

[Drich]

[quote='Faith No More' pid='368010' dateline='1354285257']
I don't know, which is why I'm asking. I'm just wondering how you would determine a random circumstance that you happened to be able to interpret as consistent with the bible from guidance from god, or are you simply asserting that if it is consistent with the bible, it must be guidance from god?[/quote]If the situation was direction from God 1) it would not be random, and 2) would be consistant with Scripture. God would not give a revelation that went against what has already been established in the cannon of scripture.

[quote]So, you are certain that you interpret things correctly, because you have certianty in your ability to interpret things correctly?[/quote]More times than not yes.

[quote]Have you been able to confirm this outside of the bible?[/quote]Does a sucessful: Business, Ministry or Marriage count?

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[quote='Cinjin' pid='368018' dateline='1354286593']
The holy spirit told me that Mexico is full of Catholics and that he hates catholics and that I should get an army together and go down there and kill every man, woman and child I can find. He told me not to spare anyone because they're influence could poison the minds or our good people. Bonus though, he said I could keep the land they live on and the possessions that they own. Perk.

What? You don't believe me?!!? How dare you!?!
If I was a 2000 year old tent maker and you were as big a dolt then as you are now, I'd already have you cutting babies out of their mother's bellies.

You see, the holy spirit speaks to ME ... he DOES NOT speak to the likes of YOU! You can't question this. I KNOW it to be completely real and authentic. What?! You still don't believe me?!!? It's time for you to die. My holy ghost does not appreciate your lack of belief. You are unworthy to be in our cult of love and obedience and we are going to have to kill you.






I know I know ... you don't believe me. It's just absurd. Yet, if the exact same thing is written 2000 years ago, it's totally believable. It's the ultimate hypocrisy: "I totally believe the Bible, but I would never do the atrocities today that god commanded them to do."
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...and this is how non christian religions/cults establish themselves. What makes an experience from the Holy Spirit 'Christian' is the consistance the experience has with Scripture.

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[quote='Kousbroek' pid='368074' dateline='1354301922']
[quote]Bull .. you shot yourself in the foot you mean.[/quote] If I did then the logical mind would conclude that the Orginal poster would have pointed this out and not conceeded the observation.

[quote]You answered: "The message has to be consistant with the bible."

Claiming a natural phenomenon has a divine origin needs some phenomenal evidence imo.[/quote]Now I see your problem. You believe the God who created the NATURAL Universe is Powerless in using the NATURAL Phemona to accomplish His will/His goals. May I ask why you believe this? Why or better yet What verse in the bible says The ALL Mighty God Can not use natural processes to accomplish His goals?

[quote]Oh yeah, you are one rational human being ... ( idiot )[/quote] Oh, the Irony.

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[quote='Darkstar' pid='368109' dateline='1354304817']

[quote]Suspend? [/quote]
He did not 'suspend" anything either. He showed the contrast between what God had indended, and how the 'religious' perverted the Law which was orginally intended as an act of freedom/enjoyment to a weekly prision sentence. The fact that He was able to Heal on that day show God to be on His side/ To support His interpertetion of the Sabbath.

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Luke 6:6-10
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath

6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

3 Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 5 Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.

9 Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”

10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

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[quote]He is right, though. There is no good reason to stop him from helaing people on Sundays just because it is work.[/quote]
The Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday. Sunday has always been identified as the First Day of the week.

[quote] Of course, that indicates a flaw in the law, then. If picking up sticks is enough work for god to personally condemn someone for this, then surely this is work also.[/quote]
Maybe you look into Who was picking up sticks and why. If you can find the reason for someone to do this then. You will see the difference between 'picking up sticks' and Healing someone.
And Again, if The Father did not side with the Son here Christ would not have been able to do this mirical.

[quote]God is incapable of changing that rule? He's not omnipotent, then.[/quote]God can absolutly NOT Go against His nature. That is Why I always say the Omni aspects of God is a toxic doctrine.

[Cinjin]

...and this is how non christian religions/cults establish themselves. What makes an experience from the Holy Spirit 'Christian' is the consistance the experience has with Scripture.

We've covered this a thousand times with the likes of you.
Once again ... "consistency with the scriptures" is solely up to the person interpreting them.
A million other christians will call you a blasphemer, a radical or a heretic; selling you down the river for your approval and/or disapproval of their own ideas about what is inspired and what is not. The whole book is just so damn useless.

[Darkstar]

Of course, that indicates a flaw in the law, then. If picking up sticks is enough work for god to personally condemn someone for this, then surely this is work also.

Maybe you look into Who was picking up sticks and why. If you can find the reason for someone to do this then. You will see the difference between 'picking up sticks' and Healing someone.
And Again, if The Father did not side with the Son here Christ would not have been able to do this mirical.

I always get confused because church is on Sunday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath#Sev...ay_Sabbath
I'm not saying that god did not side with Jesus, just that god let Jesus do something that constituted as work. Now, if god wants to reinterpret his rules to include the intent of the work, then I guess he can do that...I think.

God is incapable of changing that rule? He's not omnipotent, then.

God can absolutly NOT Go against His nature. That is Why I always say the Omni aspects of God is a toxic doctrine.

The rules are in and of themselves god's nature? God is not truly omnipotent?

Also, is his inability to go against his nature why he needed Jesus? (honest question) Because Jesus preaches love and forgiveness, whereas Yahweh constantly incites violence against people he doesn't like.

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We've covered this a thousand times with the likes of you.
Once again ... "consistency with the scriptures" is solely up to the person interpreting them.
A million other christians will call you a blasphemer, a radical or a heretic; selling you down the river for your approval and/or disapproval of their own ideas about what is inspired and what is not. The whole book is just so damn useless.

Exactly. Dirch himself has said that no surviving bible is 100% accurate, and that nor is any interpretation.