(December 31, 2012 at 3:55 am)whateverist Wrote:I teach young people also and like you I wish topics with a religious dimension shouldn't be taught in schools as from what I see the religious dimension gets poorly explained or is really only approached from a pretense of explaining but is really sideways hack job. I would like to see a proper open discussion with a real exploration of the issues but that would take more than the allocated time. In all honesty the kids show a lot more interest in discussing sex,religion and feelings than all the public health and how the government works (joke).(December 30, 2012 at 8:53 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: They can't because by the nature of both positions they are staking their very life/lives/eternal existance on it and no one want to be wrong. So with feelings this powerfull well....
This really gets at how asymmetric the relationship between theist and atheist can be. Atheists have nothing at stake .. until religion reaches out to proclaim the country a Christian one and seek to insinuate its values and goals into the law. Then of course, we can get a little bitchy.
I can refrain from trying to de-convert your babies but would really appreciate it if you and all theist-kind could embrace secularism in public affairs. I teach young people but do not broach religious topics or disclose my own lack of religious interest. I see no justification for exploiting my position to proselytize. I wish theists would be as considerate.
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Will Religion and Athiesm ever compromise?
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(December 30, 2012 at 9:14 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: You might think that but this is the busiest forum i've ever been on and I've been kicked of a big muslim forum and lol the biggest catholic one ( and im catholic). And clearly from the strength of some replies the care a great deal even if they can't admit it. Course it's just my limited experience so not scientific as sample too small. Not care I fuck. LOL. Limited science, fuck. Muslim, christian, jew, fuck. Reply strength busy kicked out fuck of. Forum light dark on mommy leave scared hobbit eat me will.
I know this is a childish response but I think it is clearly at the level of discussion you seem most comfortable with .... if you don't care why do you bother reading this thread or waste your time responding when there are so many other things you could be doing ?
(December 31, 2012 at 4:29 am)cato123 Wrote:(December 30, 2012 at 9:14 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: You might think that but this is the busiest forum i've ever been on and I've been kicked of a big muslim forum and lol the biggest catholic one ( and im catholic). And clearly from the strength of some replies the care a great deal even if they can't admit it. Course it's just my limited experience so not scientific as sample too small. You're stoned again, aren't you dude? If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. (December 31, 2012 at 4:45 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(December 31, 2012 at 4:29 am)cato123 Wrote: Not care I fuck. LOL. Limited science, fuck. Muslim, christian, jew, fuck. Reply strength busy kicked out fuck of. Forum light dark on mommy leave scared hobbit eat me will. I wish. I was only trying to use Mark's syntax. (December 31, 2012 at 4:06 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I teach young people also and like you I wish topics with a religious dimension shouldn't be taught in schools as from what I see the religious dimension gets poorly explained or is really only approached from a pretense of explaining but is really sideways hack job. I would like to see a proper open discussion with a real exploration of the issues but that would take more than the allocated time. In all honesty the kids show a lot more interest in discussing sex,religion and feelings than all the public health and how the government works (joke). Unlike you I don't really care if religious topics get taught any where or how well they are conducted. If it were possible to have a truly open discussion I would be in favor of that, but do you really think that is possible so long as it is any particular denomination conducting it? As I teach maths it isn't uncommon for some students to attempt to start discussions of the sort you describe. But my state has a very ambitious set of standards which leaves no room for silly stuff any way. I'm not in it to press my personal beliefs on anyone else so I'm happy to skirt those conversations. (December 31, 2012 at 4:06 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Unlike you I don't really care if religious topics get taught any where or how well they are conducted. If it were possible to have a truly open discussion I would be in favor of that, but do you really think that is possible so long as it is any particular denomination conducting it? I also teach maths also and I do enjoy messing around with infinity lol could an infinately large mouse eat an infinately large cat. It good to encourage kids to think outside the box. Providing wonder does not always have to involve religion and we don't do enough providing wonder in schools. I sometimes feel we really have become a factory for the production of cogs in our materialistic society. (November 30, 2012 at 4:44 pm)JohnDG Wrote:(November 30, 2012 at 6:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: If 50% of the population is an army, fighting against the other 50% of kneeling and praying people, then I anticipate a short war... "The Nazi's are a strange choice for your illustration since they were virulently anti-Christian." On the main question of is compromise possible, I think ultimately no, but that doesn't mean that we have to have open hostility towards one another. There is a story from the Civil War about enemy soldiers trading tobacco for coffee one night before the battle, and maybe that could be contrasted with the Japanese in WWII or the Taliban in this war. I guess apart from the battle itself, the interchange ends up depending on the character of the individuals involved and the real world practical out-workings of their belief system. (December 31, 2012 at 9:30 pm)halastrion Wrote: "The Nazi's are a strange choice for your illustration since they were virulently anti-Christian." Schwachsin! Remember that word! It`s the German word for "nonsence". To argue godwin style is not possible on a forum which has a German member to call out godwin nonsence. So dont even try it, since I will call out your Schwachsin. Quote:"The Nazi's are a strange choice for your illustration since they were virulently anti-Christian." Yeah, yeah,.....we've heard all that shit before. Quote:We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 Hitler was one shitty atheist. |
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