Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

[genkaus]

Nagarjuna doesn't say "stating any ontological position whatsoever automatically puts one “at fault”". He says since he doesn't put forth a philosophical position, he cannot be faulted.

Actually, trying to come up with a philosophical treatise without putting forward an ontological position puts him at fault.

[Darkstar]

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[alwayson]

Nagarjuna doesn't say "stating any ontological position whatsoever automatically puts one “at fault”". He says since he doesn't put forth a philosophical position, he cannot be faulted.

Actually, trying to come up with a philosophical treatise without putting forward an ontological position puts him at fault.

LOL, you could say that.

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Phenomena are apparent, but they cannot be claimed as real.

[median]

I see you are backtracking now, with the capitalizing 'IMPLIED'. And yes I already denied it and explained it. Nagarjuna doesn't say "stating any ontological position whatsoever automatically puts one “at fault”". He says since he doesn't put forth a philosophical position, he cannot be faulted.

WOW. How much more wrong can you be? I just rebutted your assertions and all you could do was skirt them and make empty accusations of "backtracking". This is getting old very fucking fast. No, I'm not backtracking. I'm calling you out on your bullshit - which is, in part, the fallacy of equivocation.

Your attempts to "stay out the game" by "negation" are a failure, as has been shown. You are using terms that you have not defined and you are talking out of your ass (via dishonesty) by quoting your man-god Nagarjuna and then denying the implication of the assertion - all so that you can attempt to claim something...without claiming something.

How uninteresting and non-meaningful.

Again, you're claiming negation doesn't make negation. You're saying so doesn't make it so. So you read this "guru" and believed what he wrote. So what. That puts you closer to the Christians than the rest of us here, for sure.

How ironic for someone who first came here trying to point the finger instead of make friends.

Actually you say "I’m sorry, the ancient bronze age “nothing exists” argument is no better than the “Yahweh exists” argument. And I don’t care if you aren’t making that argument directly. "

So you admit you are making stuff up. I never claimed nothing exists.

NOPE. I admit no such thing. There you go as the pot calling the kettle black (putting words in my mouth). You need to start learning what words mean by their users before pointing fingers. How about being honest for a change. How about actually dealing with the rebuttals before you instead of skirting them. How about asking someone what they mean by something, instead of assuming.

1) What does existence mean? How are you using this term?
2) Do you actually think/believe/hold that nothing exists?
3) What argument (or anything), exactly, has brought you to buy into this "guru" of yours?

[alwayson]

NOPE. I admit no such thing. There you go as the pot calling the kettle black (putting words in my mouth).

These are your own words:

"I’m sorry, the ancient bronze age “nothing exists” argument is no better than the “Yahweh exists” argument. And I don’t care if you aren’t making that argument directly. "

[median]

Think about characters in a dream, and whether they exist simply because you are talking to them.

KA-FUCKING-BOOM. You lose. We win. GAME OVER.

You JUST made a positive claim (which is really what we suspected you believed all along - i.e. - that what we think is "existence" is really just like The Matrix, or a dream, or is not real). So much for your "I'm just making negations" bullshit. So now you're not just wrong, you're an outright dishonest liar who can't debate his own real thoughts.

I'm simply not going to listen to your personal lies and dishonesty, because your perpetual practice of this self-deception (inward/outward lying) is no different from the Christians who follow lockstep to such tradition. "We don't really exist but I'm not going to say that directly because I'm not going to make a positive claim or bear any burden of proof, cause then I might be wrong. I don't want to have to do anything or be involved. So I'll just shift it away, saying I'm "negating", and act like it's OK."


Word games cost you this game. Next time try being honest.