Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

[Greatest I am]

(e.g., Job 1:12). So we are not at the mercy of Satan; he is at the mercy of the shepherd.

Which says that all the evil that Satan does is permitted by God. Ok.
God then permits every rape and murder that happens.

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Scriptures say that God gave Satan ... dominion over the earth and the power to deceive all of us on this world.

Wait, what? Citation(s), please.

You can either accept the statement without it or admit that the temptation of Christ was fake as Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Your choice.

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Especially since scriptures tell us that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd.

Sorry, taken by Satan? What does that mean here?

Scipture speak of the wide road to Satan or the narrow road to heaven. Many are called, few are accepted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOjV-wtpPc

Another breach of duty ... is that Satan has been sentenced to hell by God ...

He has? Citation(s), please.

Given by another poster above.

I appreciate the free will argument that some might put ...

I regret to tell you that you won't get that argument from me.

Good.

Regards
DL

[John V]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

[ronedee]

Actually, Christians should be asking atheists this question?

There is no power for satan except for what we(all of us) give him!

What do you mean by that? I assume you mean that we 'let' him decieve us. What about his actions in Revelation?

Revelations was a dream by St. John. And Job was a story concieved by several friends who threw-out a hypothetical question....probably at the local pub!

The Gospel is the only message one needs in the Holy Bible. Everything else is Historical, not necessarily critical.

[Greatest I am]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

I gave my explanation and source along with it. I am trying to keep things light so we do not get into name calling.

Are you on the wide road or the narrow one?

Regards
DL

[Darkstar]

Revelations was a dream by St. John. And Job was a story concieved by several friends who threw-out a hypothetical question....probably at the local pub!

The Gospel is the only message one needs in the Holy Bible. Everything else is Historical, not necessarily critical.

So what you are saying is that only the gospels are valid, and the rest of the bible is made up? (Or at least that Job and Revelation are untrue)
I assume you are trying to discount them because you don't agree with them, rather than from evidence. Although I will agree with you that a dream cannot be taken as good evidence...which is something a certain other member here should take note of. *cough* Drich *cough*

[Ryft]

I don't think GIA was talking about God-fearing Christians being at Satan's ... mercy. That's not who he meant by "us."

He must have been talking about God-fearing Christians because he was referring to Christ's flock: "Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?" [1] You might argue that Christ's flock is made up of more than his sheep, but you would have to lose that argument in a separate thread since that discussion would hijack this thread.

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[In that case,] all the evil that Satan does is permitted by God. Okay. God then permits every rape and murder that happens.

Correct.

You can either accept the statement without it or admit that the temptation of Christ was fake as Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Your choice.

Let us assume for the sake of argument, first, that Satan had something to tempt him with and, second, that it was dominion. Having granted that, please cite the biblical passages where it says that dominion over the earth was handed over to Satan by God. Please observe that I am not contesting your claim that Satan had dominion, but that it was handed to him by God.

Scipture speak of the wide road to Satan or the narrow road to heaven. Many are called, few are accepted.

Mostly true. [2] So then if I get your meaning here, when you say that "more sheep will be taken by Satan" [3] what you mean is that they will be lost to hell (which is where the wide road leads to). If so, then your claim is just flat out false; i.e., the scriptures do not say anywhere "that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd." In fact, the scriptures state quite plainly that not a single one of the sheep will ever be lost.

Given by another poster above.

So you claimed that "Satan has been sentenced to hell by God," and when directly asked to substantiate that you decline. As Christopher Hitchens has said, "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." You have given us no reason to recognize or interact with your claim. You are quite possibly now making up accusations out of thin air.

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[1] Post #1, par. 1; emphasis mine.

[2] I say "mostly" true because the passage says that many are called but few are chosen, which is significantly different theologically from "accepted."

[3] Post #1, par. 6.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

I thought Satan was sentenced to hell in Revelation?

[Lion IRC]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

It works fine on the intended audience.

[Darkstar]

[Cato]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

It works fine on the intended audience.

What does this say about the believers that send Jim Bakker money? Talk about an 'intended audience'. At least P.T. Barnum was honest about his intentions. Barnum never stooped so low as to take your money for a promised and unknowable future.