RE: Apollonius of Tyana and Jesus Christ
January 22, 2013 at 11:59 am
(January 21, 2013 at 8:15 pm)Christian Wrote: (January 21, 2013 at 8:02 pm)killybob Wrote: Thank you for going the very long route of confirming and reaffirming exactly what I just said. Anyway, please do go look up the story of how Horus became a god. You'll find it interesting how close the details of his story, and Jesus' (Yeshua, sorry) match.
Too much Bill Maher, Zeitgeist and Tom Harpur, I presume? These sources make a lot of wild claims, none of them are true.
Horus was not born on December 25th, but somewhere between October and November. Furthermore, the date of December 25th is never mentioned in the Bible as the date of Jesus’ birth and thus has no relevance to the account of Jesus’ life.
Horus was not born of a virgin - Isis was not a virgin, but rather a widow of the slain Osiris.
Three Wise Men who Came to see Horus has no parallel with the birth of Jesus. The Bible does not say three wise men came to see Jesus. It never tells us the number of wise men. And they did not come at Jesus’ birth in a manger. They came to his family home when he was a toddler.
Horus had 12 Disciples which are the 12 signs of the zodiac. They are just stars and not actual people who followed Horus, preached about him or recorded his life. This is another empty and false claim.
Horus was not crucified or dead for three days and resurrected. There is no historical record in any credible Egyptian mythology of Horus being crucified.
I've heard of Bill Maher and the Zeitgeist, but I've only ever seen Maher on a couple of youtube videos. I know a little about the Zeitgeist, but not a lot. I have never in my life heard of Tom Harpur.
Isis gave birth to Horus without Osiris fucking her. While she wasn't a virgin, she IS parallel with the virgin birth.
Also, even supposing Jesus did exist, nobody (not even staunch Christian scholars) can decide exactly when he was born. It is certain, however, that Jesus was
not born on the 25th. Besides, dates are pretty irrelevant to this comparison.
As for the zodiac thing, the time that the Egyptians invented the myth of Horus was long before they ever learned of the zodiac from the Greeks or Babylonians. Therefore the 12 "followers" of Horus could not have possibly been the zodiac. Besides, that point is one of the least remarkable comparisons. And on the point of the wise men, no one is definite how many deities came to visit Horus with gifts either. Also, nobody credible said that they came to Horus when he was a baby.
Many different renditions of how Horus died exist, and it is indeed very unlikely that he was crucified. However, most ancient versions of the Horus story DO in fact detail him rising from the dead after three or so days.
From reading your reply I can see that you haven't done your homework very thoroughly. Besides, apart from the points you mentioned, there are a lot of other very close comparisons, such as his escape as a young child from a jealous king, his foster father's name translated from Egyptian to Hebrew is the same as Joseph, and Isis was often referred to as Isis-meri, often shortened to meri, also written in Hebrew the same as Jesus' mother Miriam. Additionally there is exactly the same 20-30 year gap in both stories where we never hear what happened to either of them, and then the story suddenly picks up again when he's about 30.
That was to name a scant few similarities between the two. If Jesus isn't really a plagiarist account of Horus' story, and you can thoroughly prove this with the works of multiple scholars who know what they're talking about, and not all of them are devout Christians, then I'll film myself eating my own shit, and post it on the forums.
