The pope has a pacemaker

[Simon Moon]

I don't get it. Why does your version of God have to be at odds with nature and technology? In your opinion what makes All Powerful God unable to work through technology and nature?

Yeah, it's just a coincidence that 'God' had to wait for medical science before 'he' could deal with so many medical conditions.

[Drich]

Because the development of science and technology points overwhelmingly to a reality incompatible to centrality of god.

Why?
Because you only understand god to be mythical? What if 'God' can be now classified as a 'Transdemsional being?" does it make Him any less God simply because we have expanded our vocabulary? Does our vocabulary somehow superceed what this being has done?

A religionist is either stupid, or disingenuious, or both, if he avails himself the benefit that something that was only made to work because of the strength of the world view which expells god from centrality, while clinging ostentatiously via words to the centrality of god.

Or maybe, one needs to open his mind a little and not assume he knows how a 'religionist' should think when he claims not to be one.

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Adam was the only Human 'hand crafted' by God. How long did He last? Oh, that's right 930 some odd years (outside the garden)

We copies of copies of copies of copies..... The fact that a copy this old can modified in anyway is indeed an act of God.

Why a sunflower as your avatar, Drich?

I took that picture in my darkest time, it was/is a reminder of however dark it gets, their is hope.

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This is just brilliantly ironic.

Not compared to this.....

David, Ran from those who persued Him for a time. Christ intentionally kept a low profile (telling the deciples not to tell anyone He was God) until the time was right. I am not a big fan of the pope, but protecting yourself from the evil this world may want to visit on you is not a matter of faith.

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I don't get it. Why does your version of God have to be at odds with nature and technology? In your opinion what makes All Powerful God unable to work through technology and nature?

Yeah, it's just a coincidence that 'God' had to wait for medical science before 'he' could deal with so many medical conditions.

How do you know this to be true?

[Minimalist]

David, Ran from those who persued Him for a time. Christ intentionally kept a low profile (telling the deciples not to tell anyone He was God) until the time was right.

Chickenshits.

[Anomalocaris]

Because the development of science and technology points overwhelmingly to a reality incompatible to centrality of god.

Explain how, please? Because way I see it: regardless of our technological prowess, God is metaphysical.

Because technological prowess is the result of a thought process that has demonstrated itself to be both uniquely valid, predictive, and incompatible with such thought techniques as might arrive at some particular god, metaphysical or not; where as metaphysical god is the predictive result of of thought technique that have been demonstrateds to be overwhelmingly lacking in predictive power whereever its predictive power has been tested. It takes a sickening case of special pleding to argue that even so, the bullshit technique remains valid in this one case where the weakminded happen to wish there to be a god.
Prior to the achievement of technological prowess, it was possible to argue with less obvious disingenuousness than would be needed today that such thought processes as might arrive at metaphysical god was, while not demonstratably valid, was also not demonstrably more invalid than anything else. Hence in the absence of, or obliviousness to, track record for different thinking techniques, it might appear that wish think was as good as any for truth finding, while affording the additional benefit of increasing the chance that such "truth" as might be "found" would also "happen" to comply more to one's own wishes.

So metaphysical god was only justified on the basis of "when everything is bullshit, this is as good a piece of bullshit as anything else". But with the advent of technology, is has been shown that not everything is bullshit, and those which have been shown to be not bullshit does not include metaphysical god, and all those which have been shown to be non-bullshit are also arrived at with techniques, thus validated, that are also incompatible with such god as might have been arrive with other techniques.

[Drich]

Because technological prowess is the result of a thought process that has demonstrated itself to be both uniquely valid and incompatible with such thought techniques as might arrive at some particular god, metaphysical or not; where are metaphysical god is the result of thought technique that have been demonstrateds to be overwhelmingly invalid whereever it has been tested against the thought process that led to technological prowess. It takes a sickening case of special pleding to argue that even so, the bullshit technique remains valid in this one case where the weakminded happen to wish it to remain valid.

Red Herring. Lilly asked you point blank how this is not possiable. your response to repeat yourself in saying it was not possiable then undergird your statement by threating anyone who does not agree with you as weakminded or not logical..
The Question remains...
Care to answer it or are you just going to puff yourself up alittle more and pose a little harder?

Prior to the achievement of technological prowess, it was possible to argue with less disingenuousness than would be needed today that such thought processes as might arrive at metaphysical god was, while not demonstratably valid, was also not demonstrably more invalid than anything else. Hence in the absence of knowing how to thinking, it might appear wish think was as good as any for tructh finding, while affording the additional benefit of increasing the chance that such "truth" as might be "found" would also "happen" to comply more to one's own wishes.

Do you want to know why your arguement here fails? You must first establish God can not work through any other means than the supernatural, and even then 'technology' can technically be considered 'supernatural.' 2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

Gooluck with that..

So metaphysical god is only justified on the basis of "when everything is bullshit, this is as good a piece of bullshit as anything else".

who says? Why?

With the advent of technology, is has been shown that not everything is bullshit, and those which are not bullshit does not include metaphysical god.

Who says? you? Are we supposed to just take your word for it because you think God is supposed to be just some sort of Great magician? If so is your defination or understanding of God even accurate? Being an unstudied atheist, do you even know what you are talking about when it comes to the God of the bible? Or have you just created a god in your own mind not compatiable with nature or technology, and that is what you are refering to?

If the latter then just say so and you can repersent the god you created in way you wish. If you are attempting to repersent the God of the bible then please produce book chapter and verse that explicitly says God can not work though nature or technology.

[Anomalocaris]

Do you want to know why your arguement here fails? You must first establish God can not work through any other means than the supernatural, and even then 'technology' can technically be considered 'supernatural.' 2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

Gooluck with that..

Fuck off, prove a god exist before rambling on about how he might be able to act.

[Drich]

Do you want to know why your arguement here fails? You must first establish God can not work through any other means than the supernatural, and even then 'technology' can technically be considered 'supernatural.' 2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

Gooluck with that..

Fuck off, prove a god exist before rambling on about how he might be able to act.

Isn't that what your doing?

You don't believe in God, yet you are speaking to his nature. Then you have the gall to tell me to 'prove to you' that God exists, even though you have already made the assumption that he does. Otherwise how can you possiably speak definativly about a nature of being that does not exist?

[Anomalocaris]

Isn't that what your doing?

Huh, no. I am speaking to the bullshit nature of your "thinking" process. God is a predictive product thus far only of thinking processes that have been shown to be have essentially no predictive power. So again, fuck off.

[Drich]

Isn't that what your doing?

Huh, no. I am speaking to the bullshit nature of your "thinking" process. God is the product of a thinking process So again, fuck off.

would it not stand to reason that I would know "my thinking process" better than you would? would it not also be resonable to assume that i could identify a foreign 'thought process?' one that builds a completely different picture of the God I am describing? If so, then my complete assessment of your synopsis is accurate. For you are talking about 'your' thoughts on God, and have assigned them to all thoughts on God. Meaning you have enought 'faith' in god to assign him a character and then defend the character you have created.

[Anomalocaris]

would it not stand to reason that I would know "my thinking process" better than you would?

Irrelevent. The salient characteristic of your "thinking" process - predictive power - is better assessed by someone other than you, regardless of anything else of your "thinking" process about which you might conceive to "know" more.

This is why science works and you don't.