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Any questions on Islam?
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 6:32 am
(April 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Free Thinker Wrote: How is this related to sex (rape or adultery). It's kissing. Since when is kissing = sex ?
Everything that goes with sexual desires is related to sex (don't you know English)

So kissing, touching even watching is sexual matters
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 7:44 am (This post was last modified: April 20, 2013 at 7:50 am by Kayenneh.)
(April 20, 2013 at 6:32 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Everything that goes with sexual desires is related to sex (don't you know English)

So kissing, touching even watching is sexual matters

Kissing mustn't be related to sex. For instance, I don't kiss, hug or touch any of my family members in a sexual manner or with sexual intent. Do you?
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#193
RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 7:51 am
(April 20, 2013 at 7:44 am)Kayenneh Wrote:
(April 20, 2013 at 6:32 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Everything that goes with sexual desires is related to sex (don't you know English)

So kissing, touching even watching is sexual matters

Kissing mustn't be related to sex. For instance, I don't kiss, hug or touch any of my family members in a sexual manner or with sexual intent. Do you?

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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 7:53 am
Perv! Big Grin
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 7:54 am
(April 20, 2013 at 7:44 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Kissing mustn't be related to sex. For instance, I don't kiss, hug or touch any of my family members in a sexual manner or with sexual intent. Do you?

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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 8:13 am
(April 20, 2013 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(April 20, 2013 at 7:44 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Kissing mustn't be related to sex. For instance, I don't kiss, hug or touch any of my family members in a sexual manner or with sexual intent. Do you?
Even with family members there are many restrictions
Do you for example grope your mother??? Confusedhock:

Islam has rules that cover everything from birth to death
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 8:43 am
(April 20, 2013 at 8:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Islam has rules that cover everything from birth to death
Of course it does, because it was created and has been maintained by a bunch of shitwitted busybodies.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 8:56 am (This post was last modified: April 20, 2013 at 9:04 am by Free Thinker.)
(April 20, 2013 at 6:32 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(April 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Free Thinker Wrote: How is this related to sex (rape or adultery). It's kissing. Since when is kissing = sex ?
Everything that goes with sexual desires is related to sex (don't you know English)

So kissing, touching even watching is sexual matters

Kissing is foreplay - but is not sex, therefore the hadith you quoted is irrelevant because the discussion was about punishments for sex - and that too rape.

Only a blind fool would think that the fact that primitive Muslim jirgas and clerics punish women who themselves were raped have no justification in Islam. The issue lies in the call for witnesses to rape. Basically, a woman is supposed to present two witnesses to her own rape in order to be considered raped and therefore free from punishment. If she can't provide the witnesses, then she is considered to have committed adultery. Tell me, what kind of idiotic logic is this? The kind of idiotic logic that one can only get from a patriarchal system designed to favour men over women. Archaic and stupid.
(April 20, 2013 at 8:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(April 20, 2013 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
Even with family members there are many restrictions
Do you for example grope your mother??? Confusedhock:

Islam has rules that cover everything from birth to death

And that assumes that humanity is incapable of devising their own morality.

I'm sorry you feel like you have to live according to the rules that were devised 1500 years ago ... many of which are archaic today. I would much rather live in a society that evolves and adapts and creates new rules and live amongst people who define their own morality and function within rules that are relevant today and not written down by a bunch of men 1500 years ago - who believed in things like slavery, didn't know anything about sexual health amongst a thousand other things that weren't intented/discovered back then.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 9:04 am (This post was last modified: April 20, 2013 at 9:05 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's the kind of system that people who really love to fuck other peoples wives (or whose wives are desperate to get some strange) while being simultaneously terrified of raising and transferring property to someone else's bastard would create.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
April 20, 2013 at 10:05 am
(April 20, 2013 at 8:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Even with family members there are many restrictions
Do you for example grope your mother??? Confusedhock:

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Quote:Islam has rules that cover everything from birth to death

MS Wrote:Laws are not proofs.

So islamic laws are worth shit anyways Tongue
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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