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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 11:31 am
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To add further, it can be when society begins to cheat on spouses regularly, that it can lead to other corruptions. And the over all corrupt nature of the society - will lead to other crimes - that cause physical harm to people. On the other hand, there more purity and honor society upholds, the less corruption and in turn less crimes that cause physical harm to people.
Therefore from this perspective, "lashes" or "stoning", maybe justified.
I'm playing Devil's advocate. I haven't thought that much about the issue to reach a conclusive belief.
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 12:24 pm
(March 9, 2013 at 11:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: To add further, it can be when society begins to cheat on spouses regularly, that it can lead to other corruptions. And the over all corrupt nature of the society - will lead to other crimes - that cause physical harm to people. On the other hand, there more purity and honor society upholds, the less corruption and in turn less crimes that cause physical harm to people.
Proof plz.
Quote:Therefore from this perspective, "lashes" or "stoning", maybe justified.
Not a road you want to go down.
Quote:I'm playing Devil's advocate. I haven't thought that much about the issue to reach a conclusive belief.
Good thing you decided to speak on it, then. 
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 12:35 pm
(March 9, 2013 at 12:24 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Proof plz.
I said it can be possible it is the case. I didn't say it was necessarily the case or that I think it is the case.
So I got nothing to prove...when I say "it can"...I mean as far as we know...not that it is necessarily possible.
Quote:Good thing you decided to speak on it, then.
Yeah...
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Well my first real encounter has not reassured me that not all of them are evil... Anyway, I get my morals from my feelings. As in when I feel bad for doing something, I don't do it. Vice versa with doing something good. Also I try to read books and get the moral lesson from the story. Lastly, I use my logic and reasoning skills to the best of my ability.
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm
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(March 8, 2013 at 8:41 pm)iameatingjam Wrote: If Christians don't get their morals from the bible (which I sure hope they don't) then where exactly do they get them from that would be any different from where an atheist gets theirs? Both get it from their conscience. Which raises the question of where the conscience comes from? Christians generally believe an innate sense of right and wrong is part of God's Provision. The bible serves as a anchor and guide to refining the conscience. It is not the source itself, just information about the ultimate source of morality.
That does not exclude the possibility that the conscience was formed by an evolutionary process. In naturalism the evolutionary selection process is blind and its results are amoral, hence conscience itself and reasoning based upon it would not be a dependable source. In Christian thought the evolution has a built-in teleology. It conforms to a predetermined end, i.e. that all sentient beings will come to recognize a rational moral order to the universe.
(March 9, 2013 at 11:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Therefore from this perspective, "lashes" or "stoning", maybe justified. Ooo! "A spanking! A spanking"...
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm
(March 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (March 9, 2013 at 11:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Therefore from this perspective, "lashes" or "stoning", maybe justified. Ooo! "A spanking! A spanking"...
By George! I believe he doth speak in jest! Nice to see you getting in touch with your inner juvenile delinquent. (Why should the godless have all the fun?)
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 10, 2013 at 12:36 pm
(March 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 8:41 pm)iameatingjam Wrote: If Christians don't get their morals from the bible (which I sure hope they don't) then where exactly do they get them from that would be any different from where an atheist gets theirs? Both get it from their conscience. Which raises the question of where the conscience comes from? Christians generally believe an innate sense of right and wrong is part of God's Provision. The bible serves as a anchor and guide to refining the conscience. It is not the source itself, just information about the ultimate source of morality.
That does not exclude the possibility that the conscience was formed by an evolutionary process. In naturalism the evolutionary selection process is blind and its results are amoral, hence conscience itself and reasoning based upon it would not be a dependable source. In Christian thought the evolution has a built-in teleology. It conforms to a predetermined end, i.e. that all sentient beings will come to recognize a rational moral order to the universe.
(March 9, 2013 at 11:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Therefore from this perspective, "lashes" or "stoning", maybe justified. Ooo! "A spanking! A spanking"...
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm
I'm just a sucker for Python references!
Speaking of which, shouldn't we get the oral sex first?
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Re: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Common sense, I suppose. If it harms someone/something, I tend to consider it immoral. Simple really.
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RE: Atheists; what do you base your morals on?
March 11, 2013 at 12:45 am
If it feels good do it
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