Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

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There are intuitive and cultural moral boundaries which I am bound to, as is anyone.

Yes, well you should know that there are parts of the world that practices murder, rape etc. on a daily basis. I guess you think it's fine since their "intuitive and moral boundaries" allows them to do that.

And can you show me that sociaty in which murder and rape is accepted by the population and by sociaty in general to be alright?

After all, you said that there are sociaties in which murder and rape are accepted, just in your last post.

Or were you too fucking stupid to understand futilewinds post?

There are intuitive and cultural moral boundaries which I am bound to, as is anyone.

She or he (or whatever) said - to explain it for dummies: For a sociaty to work better and be more efficiant - murder and rape will be seen as wrong - because permitting it to happen - will ultimatly cause the sociaty to be less efficiant.






If I am not mistaken it is islamic countries and amongst a big amount of muslims that rape is seen as accepted.

[NoraBrimstone]

You're such a dumbass you fucking peasant (see, I can call you names too).
I would rather be a misogynist in your eyes than a murderer in my own.

Then don't have an abortion if you're too dumb to understand why it's not murder.

You want to know how that's "inviting" a zygote in? You are aware that you have ovaries, right? Do I need to explain the rest?

So? That doesn't mean inviting anything to come and live in it. Do you only have sex to conceive? Most people don't.

Still comparing an individual human life to other non-human species?

What is the difference, exactly? Apart from the fact that a wasp is an actual complete lifeform that can think anf feel, unlike a foetus.
But if you insist on comparing a bunch of unconscious cells to people; how about an intruder in your home. Is it wrong to even call the police when you've been burgled because unlocking or opening a door or window meant you "invited" them in?

[catfish]

Still comparing an individual human life to other non-human species?

What is the difference, exactly? Apart from the fact that a wasp is an actual complete lifeform that can think anf feel, unlike a foetus.

And this is what's funny. ^^^^^^^^ One is a human, the other is not.

[pocaracas]

Why is a human life so much more important than any other animal's life?

[Esquilax]

You want to know how that's "inviting" a zygote in? You are aware that you have ovaries, right? Do I need to explain the rest?

By that logic, shouldn't the man be given responsibility for the resultant baby, since he has so many more sperm than the woman does eggs?

Besides, knowing the risks of a thing doesn't mean you're necessarily accepting of each and every consequence of doing it; driving a car means you're more likely to be in a car accident but that doesn't mean you want to be, nor that every car accident that you're in is your fault. Going out in a short skirt might increase your chances of being raped, but that absolutely does not mean that you wanted it. I could keep going.

Still comparing an individual human life to other non-human species?

Well... yes, unless you can mount a convincing argument that the zygote is somehow above all other forms of life that we consider it acceptable to kill? And just stating that it's a human doesn't really count, and I've stated why earlier on.

Yes, well you should know that there are parts of the world that practices murder, rape etc. on a daily basis. I guess you think it's fine since their "intuitive and moral boundaries" allows them to do that.

Well, first of all I'd like to ask what parts of the world you think allow rape and murder on a daily basis, because I guarantee you that such a society would collapse in on itself pretty quickly.

But also, I'd like to point out that we're allowed to subscribe to a degree of cultural morality without losing our ability to draw lines entirely. Murder and rape are demonstrably harmful, and we have this magic ability called "empathy," which allows us to understand why those things are immoral.

Honestly, do you really think that the only thing that lets us know that rape and murder are bad is the bible? Is that seriously what you think?

[NoraBrimstone]

What is the difference, exactly? Apart from the fact that a wasp is an actual complete lifeform that can think anf feel, unlike a foetus.

And this is what's funny. ^^^^^^^^ One is a human, the other is not. :-/

So? What's so special about that? A kidney grown from stem cells is human, so what?

[kiwimac]

I do not oppose abortion rights for women.

Damn!!!

FAIL

and an enormous one! I read your post and thought catfish`s stuff was yours.

embaressing

I am sorry.

Meh, it happens! Don't sweat it!

[loganlandis]

I believe in capital punishment depending on the case. Serial killers first, mass murderers, etc. Single murder cases should have concrete evidence before a decision is made. Eye for an eye. They did it to so many other people, why should we care about how they feel when it happens to them? I don't think we should respect the life of someone who didn't respect the life of others. Plus if we started following through with more death penalties maybe our prisons wouldn't be so overcrowded with death row inmates. Average death row wait is 14 years, why? If the case still has evidence being reviewed, fine. But concretely convicted murderers' lives should not be preserved. If we were going to preserve anyone's life make it the lives of the good and innocent individuals that make our world a better place, not those who make us look bad.

I'm pro-choice. The reason being many children are born into families that are not prepared to deal with a child. Rape victims shouldn't have to have the child of the man who raped them. Teenage girls who are not prepared to raise a child should not have to birth a child because they made on mistake. I believe they should be able to abort and continue their lives and better themselves so that further down the road they will be better suited to raise a child when they are ready. So many people are screwed up today because their childhood was unbearable, shouldn't we spare them the trouble? Adoption does not solve the problem, either. We already have an abundance of orphaned children who need homes. We spay and neuter our pets so there isn't an over population of neglected animals, but when it comes to humans its better for them to be orphaned or born into an unsuitable home than to spare them from it altogether? I do agree that after a certain point (third-trimester) it isn't good to do, but if it has to be done it is up to the individual that is getting the procedure. After all, it is their life, not yours. They are the ones who have to deal with the guilt that one feels after something like that.

[littleendian]

What is the difference, exactly? Apart from the fact that a wasp is an actual complete lifeform that can think anf feel, unlike a foetus.

And this is what's funny. ^^^^^^^^ One is a human, the other is not.

Circular argument, won't work. You are appealing to the category itself when justifying the category. That's weak

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They did it to so many other people, why should we care about how they feel when it happens to them?

Because we acknowledge that it's terrible, that's why there's a law against it in the first place!

Plus if we started following through with more death penalties maybe our prisons wouldn't be so overcrowded with death row inmates.

That's a ridiculous argument.

Average death row wait is 14 years, why?

Because it's a matter of life and death.

[catfish]

And this is what's funny. ^^^^^^^^ One is a human, the other is not.

Circular argument, won't work. You are appealing to the category itself when justifying the category. That's weak

Are you on drugs? What and whoose argument are you addressing?