The 'old testament' argument

[A_Nony_Mouse]

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As I've stated before the Bible is a spiritual book, written for the physical man.

How do you KNOW that save by claiming supernatural knowledge. To any rational person it appears to be a childish excuse so you can claim it means anything you want it to mean.

Do you have trouble seeing this? The statement "in that day you will surely die," is about the spiritual life Adam and Eve was enjoying with God.

So you are making up a meaning that is not there. Show me the physical evidence you are not making it up. Why do you invent the idea of a spiritual life when there is no mention of it? Why not claim a muddy life and hating it? You can invent anything. What is the source of your knowledge? If you are claiming to be an inspired prophet just say so. If you are not making that claim you are making it up. We call that lying.

As to enjoying, where does it say they were enjoying anything? Obviously Adam was not having it all that easy as he needed someone to help him, a help mate, an animated bit of his body turned into a female of his species. (Sort of zombieish if you think about it.) And we learn Adam was asexual as created and presumably without a useless penis.

God met all their physical needs

Where the firetruck does it say that? Making it up again I see. You are yammering. Spouting lies. Making claims for which you cannot possibly have the personal knowledge to make.

when He placed them in the Garden, He met their spiritual needs when He walked in the Garden with them in the cool of the evening.

Your god has legs and sweats. So are talking a human being who conned A&E with his claim to have created the garden when in fact all he did was get there first. It should be obvious from the HE. What use does a god have with genitalia? A spiritual jerk off? After all, Adam was like a younger brother who only knows the clown claiming to be a god or brother was there when he got there.

When they disobeyed sin came into the world,

They did not know sin was evil. They did not even know there was good. But above you expected them to appreciate the garden was good when they had no idea what good was. You never mastered the use of logic did you.

separating themselves from God,

A lying juvenile god which was using a secret meaning for die which they did not know about. Nor did they know whether or not dying was good. They did not know if this lying thing taking credit for everything was good or evil. That did not know whether a god with legs was good or evil.

God could no longer walk with them,

Did your god lose its legs and slither on its belly too? If it meant float instead of walk it could have said float. Please do not try the juvenile crap claiming walking is not really walking but the other kind of walking, real walking walking.

so spiritual death came to man,

More of your BS. You make it up and then try to get away without a rigorous definition of what YOU mean when YOU say spiritual death. There is absolutely nothing said on that subject nor any note of any spiritual change before and after. In fact there is no mention of spiritual at all. But you MAKE it up without defining it and, I assume, expect to be taken seriously instead of as a liar and a buffoon.

sin also brought physical death into the world and all God's creatures suffered death.
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So you are claiming the world was rapidly being over run with undying, procreating animals and were all soon to have nothing to eat but still living. Again very zombieish. What do zombies eat after everyone is a zombie? What do the animals he made male and female eat when they have filled the continents and are standing shoulder to shoulder?

And mixed among all these trillions of animals we would have trillions of starving humans who cannot starve to death but must endure starvation in the garden for all eternity.

Brought death into the world you said. Why are you incapable of thinking through the consequences of the nonsense you make up?

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Yes living forever was our natural heritage, read scripture and you would find it saying sin brought death into creation.

Just two replies above this you were claiming it really meant spiritual death. Now you are claiming it means physical death. Are you not paying attention to your own fantasy posts?

God may not help you understand scriptures, as for me I ask for His discernment and receive it. So, you see I'm give knowledge from the supernatural God of creation.

You schizophrenics have a strange internal life no one else can understand. You are certainly delusional. You can't tell one type of death from another but use them both in regard to the same story as though they were the same. That is classic schizo behavior.
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Sorry about all the rest. You are clearly schizophrenic and delusional and unfortunately there is no cure for your condition. Schizophrenics tend to retreat further into their delusional condition rather than seek out the medications they need to lead a normal life.

I wish you good luck and hope there is some day a cure for you.

[Godscreated]

@ ANM, you are only here because you have nothing better to do with the life God spared than to make pitiful non arguments that irritate Christians. In the future, if and only if you can bring responsible proof from scripture will I respond to you. I have better things to do (like cleaning up dog crap out of the kennel for my rotties) than to waste time reading your irresponsible comments that have no merit or use for any human being. If you expect to argue with me you will either need to purchase a Bible, or in your case steal one from a hotel.

[jstrodel]

This is a question for theists. I often come to a point in discussion with religious people where I start pointing out horrendous bible versus. They usually say something along the line of 'oh but that was in the old testament so it doesn't matter'. What?? Its the word of GOD but it is irrelevant? So god came back and changed his mind?? He created the universe but as soon as social norms change so do his? What is the rationale behind this? Thanks.

Old Testament is a beautiful book of poetry, romance and heroism that is instructive for modern people. In some ways the Old Testament society was more theocratic and more violent than our own, in other ways it was much more restrained in its approach to violence and the level used (nuclear weapons? world wide deployment of military forces? level of imperialism in for instance the British empire or similar).

The Old Testament is not required for Christians to obey, not because it is immoral, but because the teachings are replicated in the New Testament.

Is there a specific verse you have an accusation against God about?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

@ ANM, you are only here because you have nothing better to do with the life God spared than to make pitiful non arguments that irritate Christians. In the future, if and only if you can bring responsible proof from scripture will I respond to you. I have better things to do (like cleaning up dog crap out of the kennel for my rotties) than to waste time reading your irresponsible comments that have no merit or use for any human being. If you expect to argue with me you will either need to purchase a Bible, or in your case steal one from a hotel.

Yes you are clearly post like a schizophrenic. Again good luck and hope for a cure for your condition.

Or have you chosen to stop taking the lithium?

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Old Testament is a beautiful book of poetry, romance and heroism that is instructive for modern people.

I have no idea what the OT is like in other languages. In English ALL of its quality is based upon highly literate people going over the translations to make them sound good in English.

As to the romance and heroism, they are barely above stories for children and are not instructive to adults who know life is more complicated than in the stories.

And the fact they are stories proves beyond a reasonable doubt they are not history.