Praying for others?

[fr0d0]

Well we've thrashed that all out before Evie and agree on it. I think it's essentially irrelevant to the discussion here.

[Edwardo Piet]

Sorry, it was for if we agreed, then maybe it would at all help reconcile your disagreement with Saerules, that was the intention anyway. So I was just checking for that reason.

EvF

[downbeatplumb]

@ Saerules: You clearly have full freedom to choose do you not?

Imagine you are God and a my life is a marker pen in your hand. This pen in your hand is a representation of the timeline of my life. As you are God, and existent outside of time, you can look at it at the micro level at any point you choose. You can also zoom out and view it as a whole, or in any way you choose. My linear life follows it's course and I am making choices as I am free to do.

To you, an entity outside of time, my timeline is not multiple. It cannot be. I live my life and make my choices as only a linear being can.

You suggest that time is linear but not knowable to God. How can that be.. with God able to look at your life from the finish point?

Please explain because your point seems illogical.

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DLF said:-

Oh this reminds me of something I said to some people and they completely bashed me for it. A man in my community was injured horribly bad. Everyone kept saying "i'll pray for you" and even the family said "please pray for our family". I suggested they should stop praying and do something for them if they really cared. I suggested they should offer to do their laundry, cook them some food, clean up their house, get some groceries...whatever. Everyone was so offended that I said that they should actually DO something. Even the family was offended. Idiots.

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From a christian perspective you are absolutely correct DLF. The primary course of action should have been to offer practical support. They really are stupid in your neck of the woods aren't they!

I get it.
He's Dr Who.

[fr0d0]

I get it.
He's Dr Who.

No. Take -1 internets LOL

Dr Who is a "Time Traveller". God exists "Outside of Time".

Similar, but not the same

[Darwinian]

But you can't exist outside of time because existence requires a temporal dimension.

I exist, existed and will exist. etc..

[fr0d0]

Which is why God is defined as non temporal

[socialchameleon]

Oh this reminds me of something I said to some people and they completely bashed me for it. A man in my community was injured horribly bad. Everyone kept saying "i'll pray for you" and even the family said "please pray for our family". I suggested they should stop praying and do something for them if they really cared. I suggested they should offer to do their laundry, cook them some food, clean up their house, get some groceries...whatever. Everyone was so offended that I said that they should actually DO something. Even the family was offended. Idiots.

Theres something about Atheism in America that really interests me at the moment. Some of the storey's I read like the one you describe above are amazing. It's mind boggling to think how their brains must work!!

I even read an account on Twitter about a group of "Atheists" (just using the word to describe none religious at the moment) visiting a creationist museum in America (not sure what state).

One guy wore a T Shirt with the slogan something along the lines of "Theres probably no God, so enjoy your life" (or something similar). The security escorted him to the bathroom where he was asked to reverse the T Shirt to avoid offending others! After that a family moaned at him saying that he had ruined their trip. Apparently they had come along way to visit the "Museum".

Surely the Creationist Museum is more comparable with something like a ride at Disney land? I generally associate museums with facts not make beleive.

My Atheism in England doesnt really seem to impact on my life in the same way as it seems to on my American counterparts to be honest. Maybe I havnt been in the right environments to invite conflict. "God" help the next 'witness' that knocks on my door to have a "chat" with me. They're in for a grilling of a life time!

[dry land fish]

Well Chameleon the Cration museum is actually in my state in northern Kentucky. It's not comparable to Disney Land. It's just a museum but it's all about those crazy creationists views of how we all got here. I've heard that they depict dinosaurs living with humans and humans are riding them with saddles. A bunch of Paleontologists visisted the museum recently because there was a convention in northern kentucky. They all wanted to see what it was like. Some of the scientists broke down in tears because they said the museum blames the holocaust on scientists. It depicts scientists as being satanists and in some of the pictures of scientists they all have evil looking faces and are doing horrible things to people.

I have not been there but I want to go. I'm having a hard time getting my husband to go with me. If I go I will wear a shirt that depicts my views of Christianity. I dare them to make me change my shirt because I'd file a suit against them and sue them for it. If anyone were to ask me to change my shirt I'd tell them to "F off". America is full of Christians and they are usually fundamentalists. I don't know how it is in England but people still think this country was founded by God. Yes...I've heard people say "god had a plan for the USA and he guided our fore fathers on a mission to come here and start a christian nation." I had to say the pledge of allegiance until 1997. I often wondered how we would separate church from state with "one nation under god" being recited by school children. Finally they stopped it in my state at least.

[Violet]

A being cannot be omnipotent, nor omniscient. Time is not like a line... but like a spiderweb of lines. Time is not about one thing moving in a continuous line, but about everything moving everywhere in innumerable lines.

Ever hear about the Big Bang theory? I think it quite probable that we are part of a cyclic bang system. Time does not exist separate from matter, it cannot. Without matter, there is nothing for time to effect. And without the ability to effect anything: it cannot exist.

More on this latter, i have to get to my next class.

[downbeatplumb]

I get it.
He's Dr Who.

No. Take -1 internets LOL

Dr Who is a "Time Traveller". God exists "Outside of Time".

Similar, but not the same

So how can this outside of time dude inscribe stone, impregnate a young girl and become a burning bush, (I hear you can get cream for this).
These are acts that require some 'in time' interaction.

What is existing out of time, do tell.