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Darkstar · April 8, 2013 at 6:48 pm

(April 8, 2013 at 6:35 pm)Tex Wrote:

The sacrifice is the suffering endured. He died at the hands of the very people that he was trying to save. In this, he had to unnecessarily humble himself and live with people he calls his own while watching them cheat each other, beat each other, and promote their own superiority, and all sort of depravity. Specifically on the crucifixion, he was denied by his best friend, beaten, heckled, spit on, forced to work till he collapsed, nailed to a cross, had the wrath of the Father upon him, then died of suffocation and fatigue. Then, he stayed dead for a while. That was the sacrifice. He suffered, yet he is God. He did this without sinning while in the Mosaic Covenant.

Resurrection is the gift to us. That whole passion bit wasn't just for fun. Jesus is resurrected, and therefore gets to bring those of faith (does not mean knowledge of western metaphysical thought on an Unmoved mover) to the Father for purification and everlasting life.

There are people who have suffered much worse than that.

**Minimalist** · April 8, 2013 at 8:41 pm

Quote:Resurrection is the gift to us.

Really? When is the last time any one was "resurrected?" Because I gotta tell you, dead means fucking dead.

Zen Badger · April 8, 2013 at 8:58 pm

And where is the sacrifice?
He puts up with a bit of abuse for three days and then goes to heaven, which he knew was going to happen anyway.
Mere mortals on the hand have endured years of torture for their beliefs(frequently at the hands of the church).
Now if jesus had offered to take the place of even one sinner in hell THAT would have been a true sacrifice.
This is nothing.

~~catfish~~ · April 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm

Nothing's more fun than burning strawmen, eh?
Jerkoff

Godscreated · (This post was last modified: April 8, 2013 at 10:57 pm by Godscreated.)

(April 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Darwinian Wrote:
(April 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you even put up such polls, you already know the outcome. Can you see into the future and know this, not really, you know by the shear percentage of nonbelievers over believers. So what have you accomplished other than a waste of time.

Sheesh! I bet you're fun at parties!!

Most people find me quite comical at gatherings or most any place. Those who know me know I can and will get serious about things such as this.

(April 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
(April 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you even put up such polls, you already know the outcome. Can you see into the future and know this, not really, you know by the shear percentage of nonbelievers over believers. So what have you accomplished other than a waste of time.

So your comment is limited to the poll question and you have nothing to say in defense of the actual subject matter?

I can't really blame you I suppose. It's difficult to show a sacrifice of your chosen deity where there is none. I might try to defend the lesser point as well if I was in your shoes.

I've expressed what scripture says on this subject, I see no reason to rehash what you are not going to consider, your intent of the subjects you bring up are a waste time for the most part.

(April 8, 2013 at 8:58 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: And where is the sacrifice?
He puts up with a bit of abuse for three days and then goes to heaven, which he knew was going to happen anyway.
Mere mortals on the hand have endured years of torture for their beliefs(frequently at the hands of the church).
Now if jesus had offered to take the place of even one sinner in hell THAT would have been a true sacrifice.
This is nothing.

Give it a go then come back and tell us the same thing.

**Minimalist** · April 8, 2013 at 11:38 pm

Quote:Most people find me quite comical at gatherings or most any place.

Shit. I find you comical here.

Chaostheosis · April 9, 2013 at 5:10 am

There probably was a Jesus, though in no way was he the son of any deity and in no way was the blood sacrifice in the less literate parts of the Middle East a sacrifice at all.

Jesus is an immortal being and fuss cannot die, his death and supposed sacrifice are non-existant.

Furthermore, I do not believe a few days torture is the candidate for being worshiped in any way, especially as a god, when many others throughout history have suffered far greater pain in both mental and physical states.

Tex · April 9, 2013 at 10:44 am

Baalzebutt Wrote:Drivel

What a profound, intellectual comment. I'm sure generations for years to come will marvel over the comment here. My explanation of the suffering of Christ, which was on topic with the thread, but your refutation as shown above totally shows me and the world how terribly wrong I am. Instead, I should join you in Lala Land where everyone just allows your superior mind to think for them.

Baalzebutt · (This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 11:43 am by Baalzebutt.)

(April 9, 2013 at 10:44 am)Tex Wrote:
Baalzebutt Wrote:Drivel

What a profound, intellectual comment. I'm sure generations for years to come will marvel over the comment here. My explanation of the suffering of Christ, which was on topic with the thread, but your refutation as shown above totally shows me and the world how terribly wrong I am. Instead, I should join you in Lala Land where everyone just allows your superior mind to think for them.

Perhaps I would be inclined to put forth a slightly more substantive answer if you would advance something other than the same tired, dogmatic bullshit that constantly leaks from your ilk.

Perhaps you should also take a slightly closer look as to whom, exactly, is having others think for them. Indoctrination is a bitch, isn't it?

**Minimalist** · April 9, 2013 at 11:55 am

Quote:What a profound, intellectual comment.

None the less....drivel it is.

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Poll: Regarding the character in the Bible named Jesus Christ: This poll is closed.
Jesus Christ was real. God said it, that settles it.	17.07%	7	17.07%
Jesus Christ was likely a real person, but he was not a deity.	9.76%	4	9.76%
It is unlikely that the character of Jesus Christ ever existed at all.	17.07%	7	17.07%
One should never live by fictional stories found in a book written by primitive sheep herders.	56.10%	23	56.10%
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