How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed

[Muslim Scholar]

<Muslin Scholar said: This can show that the Christian belief is totally altered (with no basis) even using the current (false) bible. >

OK, so what's the point of using "evidence" from a book you regard as bogus to prove the legitimacy of your Prophet?

Just sayin'....

good question,
I'm just showing the consistency of the Islamic model

The Bible has many clear errors, so it is not 100% correct
The bible has references to Mohamed, against the Christians beliefs
It may have some truth, but then it will be according to Islam not to Christianity

There are other many signs in the Bible about Islam, they cannot be just coincidences predicting something like that in the future.

This is my point

I'll present some of these facts as well.

[Dragonetti]

<Muslin Scholar said: This can show that the Christian belief is totally altered (with no basis) even using the current (false) bible. >

OK, so what's the point of using "evidence" from a book you regard as bogus to prove the legitimacy of your Prophet?

Just sayin'....

good question,
I'm just showing the consistency of the Islamic model

The Bible has many clear errors, so it is not 100% correct
The bible has references to Mohamed, against the Christians beliefs
It may have some truth, but then it will be according to Islam not to Christianity

There are other many signs in the Bible about Islam, they cannot be just coincidences predicting something like that in the future.

This is my point

I'll present some of these facts as well.

Yes, since it is the same god! The god of Abraham! Also, Islam is the youngest religion of the three main religions from the god of Abraham.

I guess you need to watch for the fuck ups, before writing your own text.

[Muslim Scholar]

Another interesting reference from the Bible is

Christians believe that Isac was the first son of Abraham and he was the one to be sacrificed.

Isaac was born to Sarah when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah was 90 (Genesis 21:5).

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham. They had the same father, but different mothers (Genesis 20:12). Sarah was 10 years younger than Abraham (Genesis 17:17). Sarah was barren, so she gave her handmaid, Hagar, to Abraham as a wife (Genesis 16:3). Hagar became pregnant with Abraham's child when Abraham was 85 years old!!! After Hagar became pregnant, Sarah twice drove her away: Once before the child was born, (Genesis 16:4-12), and once after (Genesis 21:9-20).

Isaac was 14 years younger than Ishmael. When Abraham took his son to be sacrificed, that son appears to have been about 13. God several times refers to Abraham's son as his "only son." God says "Take now your son, your only son, Isaac." (Genesis 22:2). God says, "You have not withheld your son, your only son, from me." (Genesis 22:12).

It is logically obvious that it was Ishmael and not Isaac who was to be sacrificed.

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There are other many signs in the Bible about Islam, they cannot be just coincidences predicting something like that in the future.

This is my point

I'll present some of these facts as well.

Yes, since it is the same god! The god of Abraham! Also, Islam is the youngest religion of the three main religions from the god of Abraham.

I guess you need to watch for the fuck ups, before writing your own text.

I think you need to inspect your mental abilities before answering!

If Judaism, Christianity & Islam are from the same (false) source
How the Bible can predict Mohamed?
How Mohamed can show that there is some false statements in the bible against the Christian beliefs?

[Ryantology]

That was a 'prediction' about as compelling as 'it will rain somewhere in the world in the future'. Oh shit, look, I know the future. Allahu akbar.

[Dragonetti]

Another interesting reference from the Bible is

Christians believe that Isac was the first son of Abraham and he was the one to be sacrificed.

Isaac was born to Sarah when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah was 90 (Genesis 21:5).

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham. They had the same father, but different mothers (Genesis 20:12). Sarah was 10 years younger than Abraham (Genesis 17:17). Sarah was barren, so she gave her handmaid, Hagar, to Abraham as a wife (Genesis 16:3). Hagar became pregnant with Abraham's child when Abraham was 85 years old!!! After Hagar became pregnant, Sarah twice drove her away: Once before the child was born, (Genesis 16:4-12), and once after (Genesis 21:9-20).

Isaac was 14 years younger than Ishmael. When Abraham took his son to be sacrificed, that son appears to have been about 13. God several times refers to Abraham's son as his "only son." God says "Take now your son, your only son, Isaac." (Genesis 22:2). God says, "You have not withheld your son, your only son, from me." (Genesis 22:12).

It is logically obvious that it was Ishmael and not Isaac who was to be sacrificed.

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Yes, since it is the same god! The god of Abraham! Also, Islam is the youngest religion of the three main religions from the god of Abraham.

I guess you need to watch for the fuck ups, before writing your own text.

I think you need to inspect your mental abilities before answering!

If Judaism, Christianity & Islam are from the same (false) source
How the Bible can predict Mohamed?
How Mohamed can show that there is some false statements in the bible against the Christian beliefs?

Easy. The writers of the koran read the bible. They looked for some type retarded prediction, and they wrote the koran to sync with the bible.

The koran appearance in history is after the bible. Look my logic just broke your tiny little book!

[Aractus]

If you're going to come on here and attack my religion, you can at least get your facts straight. I don't appreciate the fact that you've been taught lies about Christianity, and all you're doing here is repeating them and passing it off as if they're some profoundly well understood criticisms, which they aren't.

The Bible says:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.

Most Christians say that these verses are talking about Jesus, but according to the Christian belief let's see.

No. The Bible itself makes the claim that this verse is fulfilled in Jesus. See Acts 3:22–26, Acts 7:37, John 5:45–47, Hebrews 3:2–6. There is no "guessing" or "interpreting" about it.

Moses & Mohamed were born normally, Jesus was born from a virgion
Moses & Mohamed were men, Jesus was God or son of God
Moses & Mohamed married and had children, Jesus didn't
Moses & Mohamed were accepted by their people, Jesus wasn't
Moses & Mohamed leaded a nation and had wars, against enemies Jesus didn't
Moses & Mohamed brought new rules and laws, Jesus didn't
Moses & Mohamed brought written teachings from God, Jesus didn't
Moses & Mohamed died normally, Jesus didn't
Moses & Mohamed buried in ground, Jesus wasn't

Jesus died fro the sins for the world, Moses & Mohamed didn't

Most of your list is totally wrong. Let's go through in order starting with - marriage, that's irrelevant, there's nothing contrary to normal life about it. Moses was repeatedly not accepted by the people, especially by the people of Egypt. Jesus brought a new commandment (John 13:34). And Just like Moses, and Abraham before him, Jesus brought a new Covenant between God and the people. Jesus did die normally (crucifixion), Jesus was buried in a tomb - In fact we even know that it was owned by a gentleman named Joseph from Arimathea.

In another part in the Bible, God clearly hinted on Moses, Jesus and Mohamed as his prophets by saying:

"AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED,
SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED."
(Isaiah 29:12).
Mohamed was Illiterate!

That's taken completely out of context. 'And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”'

This can show that the Christian belief is totally altered (with no basis) even using the current (false) bible.

Yes and that little "(false)" that you insert in there is all that stands between your magical understanding of the Bible and being forced to accept what it says as SCRIPTURE. You have been taught a lie that the text of the Bible has been substantially altered to alter its meaning - this is just not true.

Why don't you watch this short clip with some Scholars explaining this concept to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftHecLxquCg

Now the fact is that you have no proof that the Bible has been altered to such an extent that meaning has been lost, doctrines have been fabricated or inserted or lost or altered. In other words, you have no evidence to show that there are any changes to the Biblical text that affect the meaning of our core Christian beliefs. None, nada. Citing the text as "false" doesn't prove anything beyond the obvious which is that you do not know what you're talking about, and you simply believe what you've been taught without question. Christianity was not founded on the basis that the existing Scriptural texts were wrong!

[KichigaiNeko]

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Another interesting reference from the Bible is

Christians believe that Isac was the first son of Abraham and he was the one to be sacrificed.

Isaac was born to Sarah when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah was 90 (Genesis 21:5).

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham. They had the same father, but different mothers (Genesis 20:12). Sarah was 10 years younger than Abraham (Genesis 17:17). Sarah was barren, so she gave her handmaid, Hagar, to Abraham as a wife (Genesis 16:3). Hagar became pregnant with Abraham's child when Abraham was 85 years old!!! After Hagar became pregnant, Sarah twice drove her away: Once before the child was born, (Genesis 16:4-12), and once after (Genesis 21:9-20).

Isaac was 14 years younger than Ishmael. When Abraham took his son to be sacrificed, that son appears to have been about 13. God several times refers to Abraham's son as his "only son." God says "Take now your son, your only son, Isaac." (Genesis 22:2). God says, "You have not withheld your son, your only son, from me." (Genesis 22:12).

It is logically obvious that it was Ishmael and not Isaac who was to be sacrificed.

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I think you need to inspect your mental abilities before answering!

If Judaism, Christianity & Islam are from the same (false) source
How the Bible can predict Mohamed?
How Mohamed can show that there is some false statements in the bible against the Christian beliefs?

Easy. The writers of the koran read the bible. They looked for some type retarded prediction, and they wrote the koran to sync with the bible.

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The koran appearance in history is after the bible. Look my logic just broke your tiny little book!

This is one thing I just can NOT get past.... Muslims seem so desperate to emulate the Jews it is painful to watch!! The fact that there is nothing in the koran that doesn't appear in the torah is another dead give away

So to summarise the abrahamic religions (judaism, christianity, and islam) are nothing but plagiaristic whores...we are just quibbling about how much your average punter is going to be punished.

[Tonus]

There are other many signs in the Bible about Islam, they cannot be just coincidences predicting something like that in the future.

They aren't coincidences. A guy who knows the texts and tales of the Abrahamic religion writes his own book and makes sure to describe events so that they are "predicted" by those earlier texts and tales.

I'm going to write a "holy book" that describes events of the 20th century, and insist that I found it on a floppy disk from 1802. WTF it's full of so many accurate predictions, it must be GOD!!!

[A_Nony_Mouse]

The Torah also says there was a global flood that wiped out all but a handful of humans.

Torah. Borah.

The bible and Torah are not all true
They have some truth, but they were altered (by the Jews)

IF you are claiming the Koran is not, upon what authority?

The flood was a local event that covered the inhabitant land that time (Around Turkey)

Floods occur everywhere near rivers everything few years. Pardon if that claim is so trivial as to be meaningless.

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Another interesting reference from the Bible is

Christians believe that Isac was the first son of Abraham and he was the one to be sacrificed.

Isaac was born to Sarah when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah was 90 (Genesis 21:5).

Those claims alone are sufficient for a rational person to call bullshit.

[Minimalist]

The flood was a local event that covered the inhabitant land that time

Then why write about it?

The Mississippi is flooding now...and that's a bigger river than anything in Turkey...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21...25884.html

and it is hardly the end of civilization.