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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 7:52 am
I saw this documentary on Cheney a month or so ago. He truly believes in what he says and does... Which is far more terrifying. At one point in the interview he said something along the lines, and I'm paraphrasing here, "If there was a 1% chance the terrorists would do something, then we had to assume they would do it." This being in relation to the sense of paranoia after 9/11. It made me wonder how he walks down the street. Our chances of being hit by a car are far greater than 1%, yet most people don't let those risks effect their daily lives. Why should our leaders be this paranoid? A 1% chance is far from a certainty, and definately not something to mobilize an army for. We should have invaded Afghanistan, it's where the terrorists who planned and expected the 9/11 attacks were. Invading Iraq because of WMDs was a farce, there were no WMDs, Iraq posed no serious threat to anyone, except its own people. It's not the US's job to go around policing the globe.
I highly recommend watching the entire documentary. It humanized Cheney, and by doing so exposed him as a paranoid, control freak, an intelligent, paranoid, control freak, but a freak nonetheless.
If you're supporting Cheney, you're holding onto a sinking ship. History isn't going to look upon him favorably.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BPK8ahNPo
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 8:21 am
Fear sells, festive. The best way to get elected is to convince the public that the boogeyman exists, and you are the one that knows what to do about it.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 8:27 am
He was most earnest... I truly think he believed the hype he, in part, created. Bad guys don't think of themselves as "bad." Cheney really thinks the Bush administration acted appropriately, therein lies the problem.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 8:29 am
(May 16, 2013 at 12:15 am)Minimalist Wrote: So you respect a miserable draft dodging coward who is very brave when someone else's life is on the line.
Okay. Thanks for the opinion.
I suppose one could "respect" an evil genius who has the gall to step into the spotlight after wrecking the country so thoroughly if your only basis of comparison is a drug addled, lazy, idiotic, spoiled, pampered child of privilege who was just along for the ride.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 8:34 am
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(May 16, 2013 at 8:27 am)festive1 Wrote: He was most earnest... I truly think he believed the hype he, in part, created. Bad guys don't think of themselves as "bad." Cheney really thinks the Bush administration acted appropriately, therein lies the problem.
I haven't seen the documentary yet, so I can't comment on whether I feel his belief in the Bush administration's actions are genuine. I will say, however, that it is entirely likely that he is just unwilling to admit that he was responsible for the biggest clusterfuck since the Vietnam War.
First rule of being a conservative: Admit no wrong and never apologize(unless you got caught putting your dick in the wrong hole, because Jesus frowns upon that).
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
(May 16, 2013 at 12:13 am)DavidOKC Wrote: I can't stand Bush but Cheney is awesome. There are few elected men or women that have made it to Washington that I respect. Outside of Barry Goldwater and Dick Cheney I really can't think of anyone else. Barry Goldwater? You're definitely a racist.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 9:08 am
Ah yes, the "R" word. The go to ad hominem here on AF. Good job.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 9:57 am
You're right, he could be lying, but I think he believes the lie, the alternative would force him to think less of himself.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 9:59 am
(May 16, 2013 at 9:57 am)festive1 Wrote: You're right, he could be lying, but I think he believes the lie, the alternative would force him to think less of himself.
Only if he has a conscience. So far, I have seen no evidence for this.
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RE: Cheney: Obama Lied!
May 16, 2013 at 10:06 am
The documentary also goes into his mental gymnastics involved in the expansion of powers of a Vice President... That was creepy too. He thinks he was elected VP because he knew he couldn't win the presidency, but he specifically was chosen as VP to guide the administration. Master of puppets sort of stuff... Elect the president as a figurehead, but have the actual decisions of the administration being made by the people behind the scenes. Where they aren't subject to as much scrutiny or accountable to the electorate...
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