Pope Francis defends atheists

[Ryantology]

Realistically at some point they knew their rebellion was hopeless, and yet chose literal hell over serving God for an eternity.

When you consider this in the context that God has a chaotic evil mindset, this is actually a heroic struggle. At some point, you have to ask yourself why a thinking being would make a choice like that. Chalking it up to pure spite just makes Lucifer look like a Captain Planet villain, who pollutes just to say 'fuck you' to everything green, and that's just not a realistic motive, but you accept without question. Your faith makes it a crime to examine Lucifer's story from a sympathetic angle. Satan is a villain in name only, while God is the one drowning and burning and smiting indiscriminately.

I'm no Satan worshiper because he's just as make-believe as the Bible's alleged protagonist, but an objective read of the Bible makes him look like the good guy locked in combat with a vast, gleefully malevolent evil which has convinced a great many people that the ultimate crime imaginable is to question his goodness.

[rexbeccarox]

Why do I keep getting ignored?

I don't think my questions are that tough.


What has been done for "the Atheist", Drich?

I cut and pasted a passage from John 3 that outlines what has been done. I do not understand what you are trying to say, get at or ask. Why not just skip to the punch line? Whatever your trying to entrap me to say will not be said if it has not already be said by me so just move on to your point or question.

Seriously? Entrapment? You evaded a question, which you are still evading. You asked "does the Atheist [sic] accept what Has [sic] been done for him?"

I asked "what has been done for 'the Atheist'?"

You quoted the Bible.

Usually atheists don't accept the Bible as anything but a collection of fairy tales, so why would we appreciate or accept anything it says? Why should we care? Especially if we are going to Heaven anyway... a place where, if the stories are true, is more like hell for most of us.

Why do I feel like I'm going around in circles? Oh! Because I am!

[Little Rik]

I do not disagree with what Frankie said. "That the same blood washes the sins of the atheist away as it does for the believer." The only question then becomes, does the Atheist accept what Has been done for him?

I accept that Jesus blackmailed all of humanity by offering everyone a choice between submission or eternal punishment, or at least, that's what it would be if any of it was actually real. Which is why, all I have to say to the Pope is that it is nice that he's officially rejecting the idea that we're a bunch of immoral, Satan-worshiping baby eaters.

Again you strike a dogma.
Is not Jesus that blackmailed the humanity.
It is the caste of priests that came after Jesus that did this in order to control people mind and place themselves as intermediaries between them (the people) and God.
Jesus was following spirituality not religions.
In fact he was vehement against religions that is why the priests did their best to try to kill him.

[Drich]

Realistically at some point they knew their rebellion was hopeless, and yet chose literal hell over serving God for an eternity.

When you consider this in the context that God has a chaotic evil mindset, this is actually a heroic struggle. At some point, you have to ask yourself why a thinking being would make a choice like that. Chalking it up to pure spite just makes Lucifer look like a Captain Planet villain, who pollutes just to say 'fuck you' to everything green, and that's just not a realistic motive, but you accept without question. Your faith makes it a crime to examine Lucifer's story from a sympathetic angle. Satan is a villain in name only, while God is the one drowning and burning and smiting indiscriminately.

I'm no Satan worshiper because he's just as make-believe as the Bible's alleged protagonist, but an objective read of the Bible makes him look like the good guy locked in combat with a vast, gleefully malevolent evil which has convinced a great many people that the ultimate crime imaginable is to question his goodness.

I do not disagree with your assessment IF you completely ignore Satan's stated motive for rebellion. He wanted to be God. He wanted God's power and authority for himself. He has no issue with the power structure itself, just who is at the top of it. He wants creation to bend to His will, and not to have to yield to the will of God... So yeah if you take all of that away and look only at what Satan is doing and not why, I can see a bit of a David and Goliath going on here.

But when you factor in motive, that would be like trying to over throw what you perceive to be an oppressive government to install a more oppressive government.

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I cut and pasted a passage from John 3 that outlines what has been done. I do not understand what you are trying to say, get at or ask. Why not just skip to the punch line? Whatever your trying to entrap me to say will not be said if it has not already be said by me so just move on to your point or question.

Seriously? Entrapment? You evaded a question, which you are still evading. You asked "does the Atheist [sic] accept what Has [sic] been done for him?"

I asked "what has been done for 'the Atheist'?"

You quoted the Bible.

Usually atheists don't accept the Bible as anything but a collection of fairy tales, so why would we appreciate or accept anything it says? Why should we care? Especially if we are going to Heaven anyway... a place where, if the stories are true, is more like hell for most of us.

Why do I feel like I'm going around in circles? Oh! Because I am!

You asked what did Jesus do for the lost? What He did is written in the bible. If you did not want to know what the bible says then why did you ask what he did?

[rexbeccarox]

I DID NOT!

I'll break it down again:

You asked "does the Atheist [sic] accept what Has [sic] been done for him?"

I asked "what has been done for the 'Atheist'?" (not "what did Jesus do for the lost?" I directly quoted you.)

You quoted the Bible.

I pointed out that atheists generally don't accept the Bible. In other words, prove something has been done for "the Atheist", or we have nothing to "accept", especially since most of us don't want to go to a Christian's version of Heaven anyway.

I feel like my head is in the washing machine right now. This is, what, twice in a week a theist has evaded me? Got to give it to you, though, Drich. At least you're not ignoring me.

[Drich]

I DID NOT!

I'll break it down again:

You asked "does the Atheist [sic] accept what Has [sic] been done for him?"

I asked "what has been done for the 'Atheist'?" (not "what did Jesus do for the lost?" I directly quoted you.)

You quoted the Bible.

I pointed out that atheists generally don't accept the Bible. In other words, prove something has been done for "the Atheist", or we have nothing to "accept", especially since most of us don't want to go to a Christian's version of Heaven anyway.

I feel like my head is in the washing machine right now. This is, what, twice in a week a theist has evaded me? Got to give it to you, though, Drich. At least you're not ignoring me.

Are atheist not "the lost?"

[Ryantology]

I do not disagree with your assessment IF you completely ignore Satan's stated motive for rebellion. He wanted to be God. He wanted God's power and authority for himself. He has no issue with the power structure itself, just who is at the top of it. He wants creation to bend to His will, and not to have to yield to the will of God... So yeah if you take all of that away and look only at what Satan is doing and not why, I can see a bit of a David and Goliath going on here.

But when you factor in motive, that would be like trying to over throw what you perceive to be an oppressive government to install a more oppressive government.

That's what your super-biased source claims is his stated reason. How do I know it's not unfair scapegoating? After all, Satan's crimes in the Bible never amount to more than "he didn't do what God wanted" while it is God screaming for the blood of infants in order to sate his jealousy.

[Minimalist]

Are atheist not "the lost?"

Certainly not. And we don't waste our money supporting corrupt child fuckers, either.

[rexbeccarox]

I DID NOT!

I'll break it down again:

You asked "does the Atheist [sic] accept what Has [sic] been done for him?"

I asked "what has been done for the 'Atheist'?" (not "what did Jesus do for the lost?" I directly quoted you.)

You quoted the Bible.

I pointed out that atheists generally don't accept the Bible. In other words, prove something has been done for "the Atheist", or we have nothing to "accept", especially since most of us don't want to go to a Christian's version of Heaven anyway.

I feel like my head is in the washing machine right now. This is, what, twice in a week a theist has evaded me? Got to give it to you, though, Drich. At least you're not ignoring me.

Are atheist not "the lost?"

I don't feel lost. So, no.

Now, are you going to keep evading the question? Here it is again: What has been done for "the Atheist"?

Your words... your burden. Since most atheists don't accept the Bible as proof of anything, you're going to have to do better than a Bible verse.

If you have nothing better than that, then no, "the Atheist" (at least for the most part) does not accept anything which can't be proven that's been done for "Him".

[Anomalocaris]

Are atheist not "the lost?"

When wooters reveal himself to be nothing more than a smarmy drich, drich decided he wanted to affect being smarmy too. Like father like son.