Science confirms the Bible?

[The Grand Nudger]

That'd definitely save us a ton on munitions.

[ideologue08]

I'm responding to your obvious goading in an appropriate way Ideo. There's no sense in stirring up a hornets nest then moaning abut all the buzz afterwards.

You wouldn't call "believe in god or die" a hellish shell game of personal confessions? What would you call that (I could suggest a few other things)?

Can you just take a deep breath before you type?

[Esquilax]

I think that there's a practical side to it that can make it worthwhile. I also think that most such choices are driven by emotion, which isn't always rational. In that case, what is worthwhile is entirely up to the individual.

The person who gives up his life in order to do something that saves many other lives would consider it a worthwhile sacrifice, and it's difficult to argue otherwise. The person who does so for an ideal may feel the same way, but whether we agree depends on what he did and what the ideal was. The soldiers on opposite sides of a battle may believe strongly in their cause and be ready to die for their country, but without context we would hesitate to claim that they both fight (and possibly die) for something worthwhile.

This is a good point; I'd probably feel differently if I knew my death would give some demonstrable benefit to others that outweighs the good I would do alive. If I knew my death would, say, save others, that's a different story.

What I wouldn't do, is die rather than recant my beliefs. There's no use to that death beyond salvaging my own pride. The ideals themselves aren't injured by a temporary surrender.

[ideologue08]

The trouble is... they tend to take others with them... and that's not cool.

Yeah but when they do kill people, surely you shouldn't just surrender? Like the Spanish pussies. 7 of them were killed in Iraq and what was their response? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3637523.stm

[The Grand Nudger]

Can you just take a deep breath before you type?

You've mistaken my ability to respond to vitriol with vitriol in kind or excess as a function of my level of excitement. I can tell someone to fuck off for trolling as calmly as though I were a hindu cow.

[ideologue08]

You've mistaken my ability to respond to vitriol with vitriol in kind or excess as a function of my level of excitement. I can tell someone to fuck off for trolling as calmly as though I were a hindu cow.

That might true, but you'd still be doing the world a favour if you took a nice deep breath... and held it.

[Godscreated]

That may be the biggest lie told here yet.

Yes, science has never given us anything has it? But an ancient book written by superstitious goatherders has made everyone's lives so much better.

I did not say that, why do you insist on reading into my statements what's not there. Science changes as fast as new generations of scientist come onto the scene. You know this to be true, it's been stated here many times by nonbelievers. Study ancient Rome and see what they thought about Christians, one thing I'll say is they thought they were strange, however they preferred Christians as neighbors to any one else. Christianity did not grow because of martyrs, it grew because of the life style they lived, Roman citizens considered Christians the most reliable and caring of all the people who lived around Rome.
Science has contributed much to humanity and will continue to, however science is only as true as the newest discovery that disproves older science.

[pocaracas]

The trouble is... they tend to take others with them... and that's not cool.

All for 'the greater good' and all that. Perhaps the planetary states should consider repatriating "refugees" and close the borders. Islamists seem to delight in fighting each other. When the fighting stops we can shoot the last man/woman standing?

Great for global warming and climate change and all that

sounds like a good plan... you think we could do the same with the christians, then?

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The trouble is... they tend to take others with them... and that's not cool.

Yeah but when they do kill people, surely you shouldn't just surrender? Like the Spanish pussies. 7 of them were killed in Iraq and what was their response? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3637523.stm

That's from 2004... remember what happened in Madrid in 2004?

[The Grand Nudger]

Study ancient Rome and see what they thought about Christians, one thing I'll say is they thought they were strange, however they preferred Christians as neighbors to any one else.

Oh did they now....and here I thought that they were killing them left, right, and center to thunderous applause on the floor of the coliseum.....

Christianity did not grow because of martyrs, it grew because of the life style they lived, Roman citizens considered Christians the most reliable and caring of all the people who lived around Rome.

Is that before..during..or after feeding them to lions?

Science has contributed much to humanity and will continue to, however science is only as true as the newest discovery that disproves older science.

I'll take an approximation of the truth over empty deceit every day of the week - and twice on sunday.

[ideologue08]

That's from 2004... remember what happened in Madrid in 2004?

Yeah...train got blown to bits, surrender! surrender! surrender! Lol Couldn't get out of Iraq quick enough could they? Fucking pussies, I'm still wondering how that region is still standing, they should have been overthrown in WW2.