The End Game of Atheism

[thesummerqueen]

I'm not going to try to make hay of you saying our common ground is how hypocritical we both are, it's too easy and I know what you meant.

Funny how trying to convince people they're hypocrites leads to insults. Bet that only happens with atheists, never with Christians, eh?

Yes, but I am a hypocrite so don't be believe me.

Lulz, dis waz teh funz but now itz time to goez. Bi bi

Translation: "I can't actually point out how you guys are hypocrites, but gee it's a nice sounding slur to sling around and make myself feel intelligent and important."

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You know, a thread like this has all the elements of a Shakespearean farce. You have the meaningful and eloquent dialogue of our antagonist ShadyGuy and our protagonist MisterClean. But throughout you get the never ending banter of the a greek chorus on laughing gas. Honest to god, I've got to stop because my gut is hurting. Carry on you fine actors, carry on.

People love the "every man" characters. Like Shaggy and Scooby. R2-D2 and C3P0. Fred and George. Merry and Pippin. Mercutio. They're the comedic relief. I'm glad to be in such company.

[Whateverist]

What is it?

Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?

As everyone and their dog has mentioned,

Screw it. I'm not cleaning that fucker again.

[Baalzebutt]

With our lineage has come the knowledge of the Oneness of God,the inheritance of Baptism in Jesus name, and the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. No one else claims this.

Wait a sec....

didn't you say you don't believe in the trinity? In one sentence you refer to god, jesus and the holy spirit.

So, if you don't believe in the trinity but jesus is god and god is the holy spirit (which makes jesus both god and holy spirit, etc.), then what, exactly, do you believe?

Sounds an awful lot like a trinity to me. Ah wait...not a trinity just a 3-in-1, right? Like the oil?

[Mister Agenda]

With our lineage has come the knowledge of the Oneness of God,the inheritance of Baptism in Jesus name, and the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. No one else claims this.

Wait a sec....

didn't you say you don't believe in the trinity? In one sentence you refer to god, jesus and the holy spirit.

So, if you don't believe in the trinity but jesus is god and god is the holy spirit (which makes jesus both god and holy spirit, etc.), then what, exactly, do you believe?

Sounds an awful lot like a trinity to me. Ah wait...not a trinity just a 3-in-1, right? Like the oil?

I'm qualified to field this one, I think. They're all the same person. Jesus is God incarnate, the Holy Spirit is just another name for God, and Jesus is God's real name. You know the bit about baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? The name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jesus.

Simple, neh?

[fr0d0]

1: A more fair tax exemption system. Currently all a church has to do is say, "We're a church." And they get tax exempt status. Meanwhile, secular organizations have to jump through hoops to prove and maintain their tax exempt status. This is biased towards religious organizations. I would also like to see churches, but not necessarily their charitable organizations lose their tax exempt status. Dependent upon whether or not these religious, charitable organizations pass through the same hoops as their secular cousins.
2: A complete separation of church and state. Of course religious people will still be elected to office, however the way they govern and/or their reasons for proposing/supporting legislation should have no relation to what religion they practice. Also, churches should be held to the no politicking from the pulpit rule, if not followed there should be enforced repercussions.
3: In a similar vein, I'd like to see an end to religious missions overseas. Helping out people is grand, teaching them evangelical dogmas, however, is not. Google: "gay persecution in Uganda" to get an idea of what I'm getting at.
4: I'd like to see some form of protection in place for kids. Both young kids to prevent/limit indoctrination and older teens who are closet atheists for fear of being kicked out of their homes. This is a tall order, I'm not really sure how this could be legislated and enforced, but it's on my wish list.
5: Religious, particularly Catholic, health organizations need to start working in the best interests of the patient population they serve, not simply adhere to their belief system. Performing abortions, tubal ligations, and vasectomies are necessary functions for many people. When a Catholic hospital is the only option in your area, you're screwed, whether you're Catholic or not.
6: That society at large shifts it's view of the meanings of atheist and atheism. As you so clearly show how these terms are confused with some form of religion.

1. Yes church doesn't always = charity in my mind. I think Churches could be more honest there (presuming they aren't being already)
2. Agreed
3. Disagree. You're talking about bad missions, which undeniably exist. Baby/ bathwater.
4. That would have to apply to atheists as well as theists of course. (My daughters friend has atheist parents who block her social interaction with my daughter. Our family don't even speak about religion socially. All of our wider family are irreligious, as are the vasty majority of our friends and aquaintences)
5. Agreed
6. Nothing to say on that one

[Baalzebutt]

I'm qualified to field this one, I think. They're all the same person. Jesus is God incarnate, the Holy Spirit is just another name for God, and Jesus is God's real name. You know the bit about baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? The name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jesus.

Simple, neh?

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhtt.

Thanks for clearing that up.

But I think jesus might be more of an a.k.a. I think the dudes real name is Ywengie or some shit like that.

[Cato]

Its the internet, why should I care? Lulz

I don't think I am going to get what I came here for anyway, so my stay will be short.

I can only conclude that your stated intention for being here was disingenuous. You asked about atheist goals and were given several sincere replies. Instead of continuing the discussion by prying open nuances from the replies to further understanding of your new found knowledge, you carpet bombed the thread with tired ignorant evolution, atheist dictator, and atheism is a religion too canards. Many of us still attempted to pull you back by pointing out flaws in your reasoning, most of which consisted of dismantling your baseless assertions, but you were undeterred. You were then appropriately treated with a level of disdain and ridicule.

[fr0d0]

With our lineage has come the knowledge of the Oneness of God,the inheritance of Baptism in Jesus name, and the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. No one else claims this.

Wait a sec....

didn't you say you don't believe in the trinity? In one sentence you refer to god, jesus and the holy spirit.

So, if you don't believe in the trinity but jesus is god and god is the holy spirit (which makes jesus both god and holy spirit, etc.), then what, exactly, do you believe?

Read the OP sucker!

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I can only conclude that your stated intention for being here was disingenuous. You asked about atheist goals and were given several sincere replies. Instead of continuing the discussion by prying open nuances from the replies to further understanding of your new found knowledge, you carpet bombed the thread with tired ignorant evolution, atheist dictator, and atheism is a religion too canards. Many of us still attempted to pull you back by pointing out flaws in your reasoning, most of which consisted of dismantling your baseless assertions, but you were undeterred. You were then appropriately treated with a level of disdain and ridicule.

- OR -

He got sucked into a whirlpool of over zealous lovers

[Jackalope]

So, you come in here, obviously (and admittedly) trolling, and have the fucking stones to complain about how you're treated in response?

I predict your stay here will be short.

Its the internet, why should I care? Lulz

I don't think I am going to get what I came here for anyway, so my stay will be short.

There's no "should" about it, troll - just action and consequence.

Reap what you sow, in spades.

[festive1]

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1: A more fair tax exemption system. Currently all a church has to do is say, "We're a church." And they get tax exempt status. Meanwhile, secular organizations have to jump through hoops to prove and maintain their tax exempt status. This is biased towards religious organizations. I would also like to see churches, but not necessarily their charitable organizations lose their tax exempt status. Dependent upon whether or not these religious, charitable organizations pass through the same hoops as their secular cousins.
2: A complete separation of church and state. Of course religious people will still be elected to office, however the way they govern and/or their reasons for proposing/supporting legislation should have no relation to what religion they practice. Also, churches should be held to the no politicking from the pulpit rule, if not followed there should be enforced repercussions.
3: In a similar vein, I'd like to see an end to religious missions overseas. Helping out people is grand, teaching them evangelical dogmas, however, is not. Google: "gay persecution in Uganda" to get an idea of what I'm getting at.
4: I'd like to see some form of protection in place for kids. Both young kids to prevent/limit indoctrination and older teens who are closet atheists for fear of being kicked out of their homes. This is a tall order, I'm not really sure how this could be legislated and enforced, but it's on my wish list.
5: Religious, particularly Catholic, health organizations need to start working in the best interests of the patient population they serve, not simply adhere to their belief system. Performing abortions, tubal ligations, and vasectomies are necessary functions for many people. When a Catholic hospital is the only option in your area, you're screwed, whether you're Catholic or not.
6: That society at large shifts it's view of the meanings of atheist and atheism. As you so clearly show how these terms are confused with some form of religion.

1. Yes church doesn't always = charity in my mind. I think Churches could be more honest there (presuming they aren't being already)
2. Agreed
3. Disagree. You're talking about bad missions, which undeniably exist. Baby/ bathwater.
4. That would have to apply to atheists as well as theists of course. (My daughters friend has atheist parents who block her social interaction with my daughter. Our family don't even speak about religion socially. All of our wider family are irreligious, as are the vasty majority of our friends and aquaintences)
5. Agreed
6. Nothing to say on that one

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