Bible-less Christians

[Vicki Q]

Apologies for the delay with the reply. With knowledge would certainly come understanding.

Thanks for the welcome, and the 'heads up'. I've got to express a preference for robust reasoning over silly insults, though. If I wanted someone to be rude to me, I can just talk to my boss.

Now we've got the meta-commentary sorted, any thoughts on what I put forward?

[Polaris]

Well the wrathful God is from the OT, so if they only read the NT like most Christians who read the Bible do, they would only find two instances I can remember (it's been a while) of a vengeful God outside of Revelation.

You'd likely not even have a fraction of the Christian population...it'd be very isolated among small ethnic minorities living in the Middle East and Africa.

[Doubting Thomas]

actually wondering if what the Priest teaches is true.

I read this as "actually wondering if what the Priest touches is true."

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Vicki Q glad you're with us, bring a thick skin though the natives have been restless lately.

Of course your own smug & superior attitude wouldn't have anything to do with that.

[Minimalist]

The meta-narrative of Israel and God defines and drives the human story. That story of sin, exile, forgiveness and restoration is our story.

Of course it is exactly that. A "story." It never happened.

http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~tkeene/ogtIsraelHerzog.pdf

The exodus from Egypt, the wanderings in the desert and Mount Sinai: The many Egyptian documents that we have make no mention of the Israelites' presence in Egypt and are also silent about the events of the exodus. Many documents do mention the custom of nomadic shepherds to enter Egypt during periods of drought and hunger and to camp at the edges of the Nile Delta. However, this was not a solitary phenomenon: such events occurred frequently across thousands of years and were hardly exceptional.

The conquest: One of the shaping events of the people of Israel in biblical historiography is the story of how the land was conquered from the Canaanites. Yet extremely serious difficulties have cropped up precisely in the attempts to locate the archaeological evidence for this story.

Repeated excavations by various expeditions at Jericho and Ai, the two cities whose conquest is described in the greatest detail in the Book of Joshua, have proved very disappointing. Despite the excavators' efforts, it emerged that in the late part of the 13th century BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age, which is the agreed period for the conquest, there were no cities in either tell, and of course no walls that could have been toppled. Naturally, explanations were offered for these anomalies. Some claimed that the walls around Jericho were washed away by rain, while others suggested that earlier walls had been used; and, as for Ai, it was claimed that the original story actually referred to the conquest of nearby Beit El and was transferred to Ai by later redactors.

Biblical scholars suggested a quarter of a century ago that the conquest stories be viewed as etiological legends and no more. But as more and more sites were uncovered and it emerged that the places in question died out or were simply abandoned at different times, the conclusion was bolstered that there is no factual basis for the biblical story about the conquest by Israelite tribes in a military campaign led by Joshua.

Professor Herzog is an Israeli archaeologist and somewhat better versed in the subject than bible-thumping theologians who dig in the hope of finding a rock that "Moses" pissed on.

[Bad Writer]

actually wondering if what the Priest teaches is true.

I read this as "actually wondering if what the Priest touches is true."

Cultural bias?

[Tonus]

Thanks for the welcome, and the 'heads up'. I've got to express a preference for robust reasoning over silly insults, though. If I wanted someone to be rude to me, I can just talk to my boss.

Yeah, but you risk adverse consequences if you tell your boss to stick his head in a blender and press the "puree" button. If you tell one of us that, the worst that will happen is you'll get a few kudos.

[Godscreated]

Vicki Q glad you're with us, bring a thick skin though the natives have been restless lately.

Of course your own smug & superior attitude wouldn't have anything to do with that.

And your opinion counts for what?

[Bad Writer]

Of course your own smug & superior attitude wouldn't have anything to do with that.

And your opinion counts for what?

It counts for a lot if people agree with him. I am one of those people. On the other hand, many here don't agree with you, GC. What do you think that means?

[Doubting Thomas]

And your opinion counts for what?

It counts because regardless if you intended to come off that way or not, that's the way you're being perceived. I would definitely want to know if I were acting like a jerk here on these forums. At least I'm not here belittling other people's relationships with their spouses.

[Faith No More]

You've got to remember, DT, GC's got nothing intellectual to contribute, so he's got to go for that low-hanging fruit.