Bible-less Christians

[Godscreated]

You're nothing but a deceiving liar who's opinions are only to insult and hurt others, their is not one ounce of humanity to you, your life is worthless to everyone around you, I say all this because it's true, you take what I say and try and make me look like a bad person, I never said you made comments about my family, I said others did, stupid. You belittle the Christians hear, this proves you take delight in belittling other and so why would family members matter to you, they wouldn't. Again I did not say anything about your wife, actually I praise her for putting up with someone of you character.

If you're so hurt by what DT says, then you should remove yourself from the situation, or change your attitude.

BTW, you just judged him on his personal life again. Cut it out, or it's going to get worse for you.

Any time little boy.

[christcahinkilla]

I think most of know a Christian or two out there that believe in Jesus and God without once ever picking up a Bible to read about their doings. Surprisingly, some of these people are extremely moral, good to their fellow man, and genuinely the nicest people you will have ever met. (There are always bad eggs out there too, I haven't forgotten.)

But what if there had never been a Bible? Would there still be Christianity today? If the teachings had survived word of mouth, certainly a form of it would still be around, but would it look something like the Christianity that the above-mentioned people practice, something completely devoid of a wrathful and vengeful god?

I have to say, being an atheist, this form of religion is still not acceptable to me as I prefer facts over myth, but I find it an interesting concept, to think how things could have been without the Bible around since many people don't use it anyway.

It is not acceptable to me either, and I demand facts over myth. The christians that never pick up their bible are better off, they agree with the 'do good to others' idea that the ideology cloaks itself under but once you get into the deeper themes of the bible that's where the brainwash happens.

How could a book that's last entry was almost 2000 years ago still be an influence on todays society? Ideas need to evolve and grow, what a terrible thing that it is still in present society.

"one ruler" it's tyranny.. hello?

[ronedee]

I think most of know a Christian or two out there that believe in Jesus and God without once ever picking up a Bible to read about their doings. Surprisingly, some of these people are extremely moral, good to their fellow man, and genuinely the nicest people you will have ever met. (There are always bad eggs out there too, I haven't forgotten.)

But what if there had never been a Bible? Would there still be Christianity today? If the teachings had survived word of mouth, certainly a form of it would still be around, but would it look something like the Christianity that the above-mentioned people practice, something completely devoid of a wrathful and vengeful god?

I have to say, being an atheist, this form of religion is still not acceptable to me as I prefer facts over myth, but I find it an interesting concept, to think how things could have been without the Bible around since many people don't use it anyway.

Ok.... well:

Do you believe in fellowship, helping and loving one another?

Do you feel that you are striving mostly for good in your life?

Are people more important than material things in your mind?

"IF" these things are true in your life... you could be "...of the other flock."

Ultimately, we are not defined, or judged by a book, but by our hearts and deeds.

Personally, if I were the "same" person brought up a pagan I would still be the way I am.... Because God chose me! I had little to do with it.

[Bad Writer]

The christians that never pick up their bible are better off, they agree with the 'do good to others' idea that the ideology cloaks itself under but once you get into the deeper themes of the bible that's where the brainwash happens.

Most Christians I know haven't picked up a Bible a day in their life. They've seen verses interspersed throughout our society here and there, and they take the good things from those verses at face value (though often out of context, as floating verses have a tendency to be).

They take the sum total of these good feelings they get from these snippets of their religion, and they, in essence, end up making their own religion out of it, or rather a set of morals that they attribute to Christianity, even though, in many cases, this new moral code can look very different from what is actually proposed in the Bible.

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Do you believe in fellowship, helping and loving one another?

Do you feel that you are striving mostly for good in your life?

Are people more important than material things in your mind?

Yes, yes and yes.

"IF" these things are true in your life... you could be "...of the other flock."

Meaning...?

Ultimately, we are not defined, or judged by a book, but by our hearts and deeds.

I can write a book that defines me. That book would, for all intents and purposes, explain to those reading it who and what I am. But there is no one book like that for everyone. I'm with you on that.

Personally, if I were the "same" person brought up a pagan I would still be the way I am.... Because God chose me! I had little to do with it.

I think who we are in life is always due in large to the influences we have throughout the years. There are case studies set up to explore this, and because of this work we know for a certainty that this is the case. I would wager that you might look the same, but I bet you would act very differently. Too bad you add the mystical invisible man into the equation; now you can spin your story however you want because all you have to do is say, "goddiditandmademethisway".

[christcahinkilla]

Personally, if I were the "same" person brought up a pagan I would still be the way I am.... Because God chose me! I had little to do with it.

that's what the infection does to a person's mind, they are made to believe they are 'chosen' and special above others, it is an ideology of inequality.

[ronedee]

Personally, if I were the "same" person brought up a pagan I would still be the way I am.... Because God chose me! I had little to do with it.

that's what the infection does to a person's mind, they are made to believe they are 'chosen' and special above others, it is an ideology of inequality.

What an idiotic, and ironic thing to say. You are closer to your opinion of me than I am. Because... at least I care about you!

Why would I care, if your description of me was actually true?

The hate and closed-mindedness around here is baffling!

[christcahinkilla]

you took it personally and im sorry that you did. the attack was aimed at the idea not the individual, although sometimes when people hold on to such constrictive and counter-freedom ideas i get angry with them because it effects all of society and i do care about all of society. the morons of monotheism are a small sacrifice for the betterment of our future and our childrens future. so your choice to hold on to tyranny as we try to evolve...well then...fuck your feelings.

[ronedee]

I think who we are in life is always due in large to the influences we have throughout the years. There are case studies set up to explore this, and because of this work we know for a certainty that this is the case. I would wager that you might look the same, but I bet you would act very differently. Too bad you add the mystical invisible man into the equation; now you can spin your story however you want because all you have to do is say, "goddiditandmademethisway".

Spin what? When have I stuffed anything down your throat? My approach is subtle, and what I hope is; thought provoking! At least to those receptive of that method. But, if you are just going to put words and thoughts in me that aren't there....then there is no need to converse any further.

That is a consistent problem with a lot of atheists around here! Once we find [any] common thread, it's immediately torn down and tossed out as coincidence, irony or humoring. It's always an exclaimation point of disgust after an affirmation!

Is it peer pressure that doesn't want you/others to possibly agree in [any] way with a Christians ideas or concepts relating (ie not directly) about God or religion?

Or just a shutdown mechanism inside (CHRISTIAN MAY HAVE A POINT ALERT!), that always ends an agreement situation with a scoff?

Either way, its childish and disheartning that someone can't separate themselves from their peers and stand on their hid legs. A few here can. But not many.

[christcahinkilla]

christians do have many points, it's the tyranny that they mix into it that makes it such a horrible poison.

[ronedee]

you took it personally and im sorry that you did. the attack was aimed at the idea not the individual, although sometimes when people hold on to such constrictive and counter-freedom ideas i get angry with them because it effects all of society and i do care about all of society. the morons of monotheism are a small sacrifice for the betterment of our future and our childrens future. so your choice to hold on to tyranny as we try to evolve...well then...fuck your feelings.

Ok. I can live with that. I don't want to knock any religion or beliefs here but Catholics (as a people) tend to be a little less strict, and more loving and forgiving of ourselves and others. And more understanding of EVERYONE!

My point is that I feel that God was always in my heart. Actually, as young as 4 or 5. I don't know who poisoned my mind. It certainly wasn't my parents. They hardly went near a church!

So, my answer is that He's always been there! I don't really know how to explain it otherwise?!

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christians do have many points, it's the tyranny that they mix into it that makes it such a horrible poison.

I agree! It's funny you used "poison"! I just unknowingly replied to you using the same word!

I wish they (some Christians) didn't do all the "bad" things. Unfortunately, we benefit from all the bad press anyone can find.... no matter how we are individually!