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Then after I call him out on it, he says that "the natives are restless." That's like going into an NAACP meeting and asking, "why are all you niggers so testy?"
You sir are flat out lying my next response to you was to get over it, I've been treated the same way by atheist when mentioning family members and I was told if you bring your family into the picture their fair game. You are an insulting little child who needs to go back to the sand box and grow up.
(July 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:
(July 18, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: And your opinion counts for what?
It counts for a lot if people agree with him. I am one of those people. On the other hand, many here don't agree with you, GC. What do you think that means?
Just because you and others agree with him doesn't make him right, and because few agree with me doesn't make me wrong, that's what I know about that. Very few agreed with Christ when He walked the earth, now billions have and do.
(July 18, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:
(July 18, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: And your opinion counts for what?
It counts because regardless if you intended to come off that way or not, that's the way you're being perceived. I would definitely want to know if I were acting like a jerk here on these forums. At least I'm not here belittling other people's relationships with their spouses.
Christ was perceived as a criminal and an undesirable person by most who met Him, He most certainly did not intend to be known like that, and He is the Savior, not that I'm anyone important. You would belittle others relationships if they brought their family members onto the forum, but after it's happened to you as it has my family you learn not to mention them. I did not say anything wrong towards your wife, it was directed toward you and how you treat her for her belief. I have all the respect in the world for a woman that will stand up to an atheist, doesn't matter if they are married or not.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Then after I call him out on it, he says that "the natives are restless." That's like going into an NAACP meeting and asking, "why are all you niggers so testy?"
You sir are flat out lying my next response to you was to get over it, I've been treated the same way by atheist when mentioning family members and I was told if you bring your family into the picture their fair game. You are an insulting little child who needs to go back to the sand box and grow up.
You mean you get to insult them when they're not around to fend for themselves? How is that fair, mon frère?
(July 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(July 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: It counts for a lot if people agree with him. I am one of those people. On the other hand, many here don't agree with you, GC. What do you think that means?
Just because you and others agree with him doesn't make him right, and because few agree with me doesn't make me wrong, that's what I know about that. Very few agreed with Christ when He walked the earth, now billions have and do.
I'm not talking about wrong and right. I'm talking about your opinion. SW had it right; you're on an Atheist forum, so if you come on here touting your opinion around, chances are we won't take a second glance at it. Also, if you practice smug, self-righteousness, that kinda hurts our opinion of your character too.
Also, by your logic, (the little bit where you say opinion doesn't make something right or wrong) the fact that so many agree that Christ walked the earth doesn't make it right, simply because it's just an opinion. For once, GC, I agree with you.
(July 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(July 18, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:
It counts because regardless if you intended to come off that way or not, that's the way you're being perceived. I would definitely want to know if I were acting like a jerk here on these forums. At least I'm not here belittling other people's relationships with their spouses.
Christ was perceived as a criminal and an undesirable person by most who met Him, He most certainly did not intend to be known like that, and He is the Savior, not that I'm anyone important. You would belittle others relationships if they brought their family members onto the forum, but after it's happened to you as it has my family you learn not to mention them. I did not say anything wrong towards your wife, it was directed toward you and how you treat her for her belief. I have all the respect in the world for a woman that will stand up to an atheist, doesn't matter if they are married or not.
How do you know he's the Savior? Were you able to observe your sins as he absorbed them from your body into his own?
Name one instance where DT has belittled another person's family member. How can you say that he would do so? You assume everything in life, don't you? You assume DT will belittle another person's spouse, you assume that prayer works, you assume zombie Christ ate your sins, and you assume all Atheists are idiots because we don't have the same special knowledge that you do in order to know this stuff.
I have respect for anyone who stands up to an atheist. I have the same respect for someone who will stand up to a Buddhist, or a Zoroastrian, or even a Christian. It's when we bring our thoughts to the table and share and intermix ideas that real progress is made in society. That's what I respect.
On the other hand, doing this is akin to having a piece of sound-proof glass between two individuals: both parties are talking, but neither can hear the other.
(July 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: You sir are flat out lying my next response to you was to get over it, I've been treated the same way by atheist when mentioning family members and I was told if you bring your family into the picture their fair game. You are an insulting little child who needs to go back to the sand box and grow up.
Where am I lying? I posted a link to what you said. You acted like a jerk to me, I responded, and now you feel persecuted. You're the one claiming that if someone mentions a family member then it's fair game to attack them. I've never attacked any of your family members or your relationships to them. You are an asshole.
Quote:You would belittle others relationships if they brought their family members onto the forum.
When have I ever done that? I am not you. You're projecting so much you should run your own movie theater.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
ok so ignoring the GC and response to GC postings and going to the relevant discussion Vicki seems to be giving a reasonable discussion of the better informed Christian perspective. However, I would like to bring up some other issues.
1. the personal agenda we each bring to our religion/non-religion has more to do with how we approach our beliefs and how we read/interpret - or not read - the bible.
2. people who use the Bible to send everyone to hell except themselves have their counterparts in every religion, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (well there you get to keep trying for several lifetimes until you get it right). They are just finding the parts that suit their in-human tendencies. And they all find each other and form churches and such and go out and loudly send everyone to hell using their bibles as bludgeons. Fortunately they are in the minority. Unfortunately they can make life very distasteful if you have to be around them.
3. there are far more people who use their sacred scriptures as a foundation to build kindness, tolerance, insight, and mutual respect. They just usually go around making the world a better place and not getting into loud arguments!
4. there are also many christians, muslims, jews, hindus, buddhists who see all religions as different means to help our shared humanity achieve mutual benefits - and they find in their respective scriptures and use their respective scriptures to build these bridges - even with atheists
just adding a balancing note that the world really isn't so bad if you look in the right places
having passed through many states of believing I was right I have come to the place of finding "rightness" rather irrelevant to the project of becoming human
(July 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)wandering soul Wrote: 1. the personal agenda we each bring to our religion/non-religion has more to do with how we approach our beliefs and how we read/interpret - or not read - the bible.
2. people who use the Bible to send everyone to hell except themselves have their counterparts in every religion, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (well there you get to keep trying for several lifetimes until you get it right). They are just finding the parts that suit their in-human tendencies. .. Fortunately they are in the minority.
3. there are far more people who use their sacred scriptures as a foundation to build kindness, tolerance, insight, and mutual respect.
4. there are also many christians, muslims, jews, hindus, buddhists who see all religions as different means to help our shared humanity achieve mutual benefits - and they find in their respective scriptures and use their respective scriptures to build these bridges - even with atheists
1. Completely agree.
2. & 3. I wish I were as confident as you about this.
4. I'm all for this. I think we should skip the step of deciding what we should all believe regarding religion and move on to deciding how we would like to treat each other and what important projects we can work together on.
(July 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)wandering soul Wrote: 2. people who use the Bible to send everyone to hell except themselves have their counterparts in every religion, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (well there you get to keep trying for several lifetimes until you get it right). They are just finding the parts that suit their in-human tendencies. And they all find each other and form churches and such and go out and loudly send everyone to hell using their bibles as bludgeons. Fortunately they are in the minority. Unfortunately they can make life very distasteful if you have to be around them.
I sat through a retirement ceremony today that felt more like a Church service than something that was meant to send a man off. He stood up there and said to everyone present more than once, "If you didn't know by now that I'm a Christian, then I haven't been doing my job." Well, and Air Force Major who is talking about religion to his co-workers is not only doing something he SHOULDN'T be doing at his job, but the level of discomfort in the audience was palpable.
(July 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)wandering soul Wrote: 3. there are far more people who use their sacred scriptures as a foundation to build kindness, tolerance, insight, and mutual respect. They just usually go around making the world a better place and not getting into loud arguments!
At least these people are being honest about where they get their foundation, instead of trying to convince people that it's the only place to get it. I use many of the tenets put forth in Star Trek as platitudes to live by. Does this make me wrong for doing so?
This is the first time I've seen you post at the forum, and already I like you
(July 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)wandering soul Wrote: 4. there are also many christians, muslims, jews, hindus, buddhists who see all religions as different means to help our shared humanity achieve mutual benefits - and they find in their respective scriptures and use their respective scriptures to build these bridges - even with atheists.
I would call that a good thing since it's working towards a brighter future. Kudos!
(July 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)wandering soul Wrote: And they all find each other and form churches and such and go out and loudly send everyone to hell using their bibles as bludgeons. Fortunately they are in the minority. Unfortunately they can make life very distasteful if you have to be around them.
The vocal ones are in the minority, however, the vast majority of Christians all believe that you're going to hell unless you believe what they believe. They may not be as vocal as the street corner preachers, but they will silently agree. And we atheists still have a long way to go before Christians in this country don't look down upon us for not sharing their beliefs.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
(July 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: You sir are flat out lying my next response to you was to get over it, I've been treated the same way by atheist when mentioning family members and I was told if you bring your family into the picture their fair game. You are an insulting little child who needs to go back to the sand box and grow up.
Where am I lying? I posted a link to what you said. You acted like a jerk to me, I responded, and now you feel persecuted. You're the one claiming that if someone mentions a family member then it's fair game to attack them. I've never attacked any of your family members or your relationships to them. You are an asshole.
Quote:You would belittle others relationships if they brought their family members onto the forum.
When have I ever done that? I am not you. You're projecting so much you should run your own movie theater.
You're nothing but a deceiving liar who's opinions are only to insult and hurt others, their is not one ounce of humanity to you, your life is worthless to everyone around you, I say all this because it's true, you take what I say and try and make me look like a bad person, I never said you made comments about my family, I said others did, stupid. You belittle the Christians hear, this proves you take delight in belittling other and so why would family members matter to you, they wouldn't. Again I did not say anything about your wife, actually I praise her for putting up with someone of you character.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 19, 2013 at 9:41 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Where am I lying? I posted a link to what you said. You acted like a jerk to me, I responded, and now you feel persecuted. You're the one claiming that if someone mentions a family member then it's fair game to attack them. I've never attacked any of your family members or your relationships to them. You are an asshole.
When have I ever done that? I am not you. You're projecting so much you should run your own movie theater.
You're nothing but a deceiving liar who's opinions are only to insult and hurt others, their is not one ounce of humanity to you, your life is worthless to everyone around you, I say all this because it's true, you take what I say and try and make me look like a bad person, I never said you made comments about my family, I said others did, stupid. You belittle the Christians hear, this proves you take delight in belittling other and so why would family members matter to you, they wouldn't. Again I did not say anything about your wife, actually I praise her for putting up with someone of you character.
If you're so hurt by what DT says, then you should remove yourself from the situation, or change your attitude.
BTW, you just judged him on his personal life again. Cut it out, or it's going to get worse for you.
is akin to having a piece of sound-proof glass between two individuals: both parties are talking, but neither can hear the other.
