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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm
(July 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: All Christians who believe in free will know you can "opt-out," we are not saying you have to believe, but there is this, you can not "opt-out" of the judgement.
Free will seems to be yet another illusion. Unless...you like the strings that control your decisions.
No strings controlled my decision to accept Christ, nor study scripture and live my life accordingly. You may not like the idea of free will, and I understand why, but that in no way negates my free will, it does hamper your's and that's sad.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 12:19 am
(July 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: No strings controlled my decision to accept Christ, nor study scripture and live my life accordingly. You may not like the idea of free will, and I understand why, but that in no way negates my free will, it does hamper your's and that's sad.
Our actual situation is probably much more complex than either free will or no free will, but there is no reason to worry about an afterlife judgement day when the creator of everything will decide whether to keep you around or subject you to never ending torture. That is just a crazy idea. It deserves no consideration.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 6:43 am
Boo yah! What takes me many words to say, you say better with just a few.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm
(July 25, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...you cannot "opt-out" of the judgement.
And there goes your precious free will down the toilet right there.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm
(July 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: No strings controlled my decision to accept Christ, nor study scripture and live my life accordingly. You may not like the idea of free will, and I understand why, but that in no way negates my free will, it does hamper your's and that's sad.
Interesting, because other Christians, even on this site, say that we have free will only in the sense that we are free to sin.
What say you to that?
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm by Doubting Thomas.)
How can it even be free will when one choice leads to eternal torture? It's like a kidnapper holding a gun to your head and saying "Do what I say and you don't get hurt!"
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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(July 26, 2013 at 12:19 am)whateverist Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: No strings controlled my decision to accept Christ, nor study scripture and live my life accordingly. You may not like the idea of free will, and I understand why, but that in no way negates my free will, it does hamper your's and that's sad.
Our actual situation is probably much more complex than either free will or no free will, but there is no reason to worry about an afterlife judgement day when the creator of everything will decide whether to keep you around or subject you to never ending torture. That is just a crazy idea. It deserves no consideration.
God does not decide you make the choice and God gives you what you choose.
(July 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...you cannot "opt-out" of the judgement.
And there goes your precious free will down the toilet right there.
You had the choice and God gives you what you choose.
(July 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: No strings controlled my decision to accept Christ, nor study scripture and live my life accordingly. You may not like the idea of free will, and I understand why, but that in no way negates my free will, it does hamper your's and that's sad.
Interesting, because other Christians, even on this site, say that we have free will only in the sense that we are free to sin.
What say you to that?
I say this, I have never disagreed with that, however when one doesn't accept fee will wouldn't one act accordingly thus limiting ones idea they have choice.
(July 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: How can it even be free will when one choice leads to eternal torture? It's like a kidnapper holding a gun to your head and saying "Do what I say and you don't get hurt!"
That argument has been shot to death by the Christians here, find something better if you can and leave the childish stuff alone.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm
(July 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: How can it even be free will when one choice leads to eternal torture? It's like a kidnapper holding a gun to your head and saying "Do what I say and you don't get hurt!"
That argument has been shot to death by the Christians here, find something better if you can and leave the childish stuff alone.
I am unfamiliar with this refutation. Please provide an example of such.
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm
(July 26, 2013 at 6:43 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: Boo yah! What takes me many words to say, you say better with just a few.
That's called wisdom, whippersnapper.
He's going to give me de wisdom.
He's like Yoda.
"Do or do not. There is no try."
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RE: Don't have to read The Bible to reject Christianity. Right?
July 26, 2013 at 11:33 pm
(July 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: That argument has been shot to death by the Christians here, find something better if you can and leave the childish stuff alone.
Oh yeah, I remember that: that was the time that we atheists brought it up, and your answer was "no, it's nothing like that."
Your refusal to actually answer sure shot the discourse to death, but I feel like the argument was missed entirely. I bet it felt lucky!
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