Did They Not Pray Hard Enough

[Something completely different]

I think not. If anything, tragedy increases our prayers to God!

So your personal expiriences and the traits of your personality represent all catholics in general?

If there were no strife in life, what need would there be to call upon Him?

Why not simply work yourself out of strife instead of indulging in useless selfpitty through bagging to a invisible person?

And all you saying that God doesn't answer prayers? How would you know anything about prayer?

That it doesn`t help.

It's like blind men commenting on a Rembrandt! No clue.

You like making fun of physicaly disabled people?

Afer you've spent time in fervent prayer and know something, then make comments. Until then...You know absolutely NOTHING.

Screw you catholic cocksucker! What the fuck is so special about talking to yourself??????? It i merely a idiotic attempt to make yourself feel better whilest the shit that actualy bothers you still continues to bother you.
It`s like being depressed and therefor going to a bar and getting drunk.

So dont you think you have some kind of authority on what is best to do when people are in trouble when your only solution to that is pathetic selfpitty through talking to someone invisible.

James 5:16
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

And what the fuck was that for?

Does this have anything significant to add to this thread???!

[Bad Writer]

It's like blind men commenting on a Rembrandt! No clue.

You like making fun of physicaly disabled people?

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Afer you've spent time in fervent prayer and know something, then make comments. Until then...You know absolutely NOTHING.

This almost identical to what a mormon relative of mine once told me Ronedee

How comes they came out of prayer knowing something different than you

An answer will win you 2 indulgences.....I cleared it with the pope.


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[Bad Writer]

Afer you've spent time in fervent prayer and know something, then make comments. Until then...You know absolutely NOTHING.

This almost identical to what a mormon relative of mine once told me Ronedee

This was me as a Mormon. According to Ronedee's line of reasoning I should at least know something right now, but he claims I still know nothing. Looks like all that praying was worth dogshit after all.

[Drich]

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If we don't have the right mindset to ask, we should... ask?[/quote
A/S/K=Ask Seek Knock, ask=ask.

So if you do not have the mindset to A/S/K then you should just ask for it.

[quote]If I was trying to get in touch with a world leader by exchanging notes or calling on the phone I would take a cordial tone, yes. If the world leader on the phone told me that he would hang up unless I got down on my knees, things would get a bit awkward.[/quote]Red Herring. This is not the situation I presented.

[quote]I'm not being invited to god's black tie affair in heaven, I'm running around the schoolyard trying to figure out where he's hiding. [/quote]No. In Luke 11 you were given directions on where to meet God. instead you are running the school yard trying to figure out where he is hiding, when all the while the invite you have that gives you a direct road map is being ingored.

[quote] If he presents himself and it turns out that he's a supreme intellect of immeasurable power who has a good enough explanation for why things are so screwed up, I would be willing to humble myself.[/quote]We are told by the time we are able to see this for ourselves it will be too late.

[quote]Belief in Christ enough to take Him up on what He said do.

[quote]I think that it's bizarre that anyone would worship a person whose identity and personality are only to be discovered in a book that most of his followers either couldn't read or consider to be of secondary importance to simply believing in the person who is only to be known through the book.[/quote]Then you may want to reconsider this assumption. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the book.

[quote]I agree with this, although for me the freedom came when I finally let go of religious belief.[/quote]Freedom TO Sin is no freedom at all. Freedom From sin and the law is true freedom.

[quote]We're going in circles with this, as I figured we would. This is the third or fourth time you've reminded me that god can be found, if only we search the right way, a way for which there are no specifics.
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Because you have not asked for specifics.

Luke 11 spells it out we must A/S/K for the Holy Spirit and this personage of God will teach, direct and guide you Himself.

[Anomalocaris]

Afer you've spent time in fervent prayer and know something, then make comments. Until then...You know absolutely NOTHING.

You want to act as if you can talk the talk.

But if you chew some magic mushrooms, you would immediately know more than you could ever be brought to imagine through an eternity of the most "fervent" "prayer".

So if you want to appear as if you can walk the walk, skip primitive bronze age half measures like prayer all together to go right to the source of the dilusion.

[Bad Writer]

:Channels PeterPriesthood:

Drich, you're forgetting that prayer isn't about mindset; it's about faith!

James Chapter 1:5-6

"5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."

Stop misleading these poor folk by trying to change their mindset. All you need is faith in order to know what God wants! It's how Joseph Smith Jr. found out that all the other Churches in the world were an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, and that this apostasy required a restoration of the true Gospel of Christ as it was in the days of the Apostles! Anyone who reads the Bible does not have the full Gospel, for the Bible is translated incorrectly in many instances. If you want a record of the fullness of the Gospel, you must find it in the Book of Mormon!

:End Channeling:

[ronedee]

This almost identical to what a mormon relative of mine once told me Ronedee

This was me as a Mormon. According to Ronedee's line of reasoning I should at least know something right now, but he claims I still know nothing. Looks like all that praying was worth dogshit after all.

This is very laughable (all responses)! When you've experienced God through Jesus.... and I mean personally, not through groups.... there is no way you can say what praying is worth! NONE!

Prayer transcends: time, space and understanding. You won't know just what (far reaching) effect prayers have until we meet God.

I, and my friends & family have prayed for many, MANY things, and can't think of [one time] they weren't answered in "some way". Not ONE!

God doesn't work in our time. He works in His. If there is a secret to prayer? That's it! I'd use an analogy...but you just twist them up like a party balloon!

If (at all possible) you could remove your animosity against God alone(not religious men, including me!) and ask, you will recieve.

It takes equal parts of: "believing and asking". The promise is there!

Matthew 7:7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

[Drich]

Let's have a recap of Drich's posts:

1. Prayer is not a formal wishing ceremony. It's not a way for Christians to change their lots in life, and it is certainly not a way to change the mind of God. Prayer is a tool used to change the mind of the one who is praying to seek and accept God's will and to make it their own.

"But people pray for stuff they want all the time."

Paul in 2 tim identifies 'asking for stuff' as petitioning in some translations, and as supplication, in others. in short 'asking for non prayer items.'

2. You're not supposed to pray for things you want.

No. Your supposed to want what God wants for you. That what prayer is. A way to ask God to change your will to meet His. So that your 'wants' become what He wants for you. "Your will be done on Earth (In my life) as in Heaven

"The Lord's Prayer asks God for food."

"Daily bread" is a need not a want sport.

3. That's something God wants you to want, so it's okay.

"So what you're saying is it's okay to formally wish for stuff through prayer?"

If you formally wish it is deem a supplication and not a prayer. Christ gave an example of prayer and if we are to pray we must follow His example. In his example there was not a portion that has us wishing for personal gain/stuff.

This is just the easy stuff on the surface. If you go back through all his posts and compile all the things he has thus far said about prayer, you would come back with an incoherent, self-contradictory jumble of utter nonsense.

Only if you straw man it together as you have.

[Minimalist]

Paul in 2 tim

Of course, "Paul" (probably fictitious as well) did not write that.

The six disputed epistles are Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus. They internally claim to have been written by Paul, but that assertion has been questioned by most scholars.[7] These letters are sometimes referred to as deutero-Pauline letters meaning "secondary letters of Paul".