And Hells come back to haunt me

[Godscreated]

The cutoff as you put it, salvation. No that is determined by what one does here. Very simple to understand, God did not make this hard.

That isn't what I was referring to. How much "good" is sufficient to get one into heaven? If we are to speak of the fairness of eternal reward and punishment, then we would need to understand that everyone gets one or the other, no? The person who barely does enough to escape hell gets the same eternal reward as the most virtuous person who ever lived. The person who falls just short of heaven gets the same eternal punishment as the most vile and despicable person who ever lived. Does either scenario strike you as fair?

I did not say everyone in heaven would have equal reward nor did I say everyone in hell will have the same punishment, the scriptures tell us this. No one can Get into heaven by being good, God says no man is good not one, only through your acceptance of Christ and His righteousness can you get into heaven. This is exactly what I said in my last post to you, only a little more detailed.

GC

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His ultimate will reigns, and yes He cares what you want or He would not have given you a choice.

GC

The bag boy gives me a choice of paper or plastic, but is just as irrelevant.

God is completely ignoring my will not to participate in his afterlife scheme.
If I kidnap a woman and give her a choice of being raped vaginally or anally have I truly considered her free will? Is it ok because I gave her a choice?

oh and
You seem to love these so much!

You did not give her a choice, you the rapist told her you were going to rape her, period. But, someone with the mental depravity you have couldn't see that, right?
When they fit they are quite effective as you just pointed out.

GC

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You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.

GC

No. When I die, my story will end.

As I always say death will reveal the truth.

GC

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You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.

It must be really great to get so much smug satisfaction out of this threat. You'll be able to watch us all suffer from your nice comfy cloud, and won't we be sorry then!

Wasn't trying to be smug, that's just something you wanted to believe. Scripture says no one in heaven will ever see what happens in hell, only those who are there will know.

GC

[Faith No More]

GC's literal interpretation of sardonic responses is always amusing.

[Brakeman]

The bag boy gives me a choice of paper or plastic, but is just as irrelevant.

God is completely ignoring my will not to participate in his afterlife scheme.
If I kidnap a woman and give her a choice of being raped vaginally or anally have I truly considered her free will? Is it ok because I gave her a choice?

You did not give her a choice, you the rapist told her you were going to rape her, period. But, someone with the mental depravity you have couldn't see that, right?
When they fit they are quite effective as you just pointed out.

The rapist gives her a valid choice, just not the choice that the woman wishes, presumably one to be left alone. In the same vein, god does not give me the choice I desire, which is to be left alone after I die and not be forced to go to heaven or hell.

[Esquilax]

You did not give her a choice, you the rapist told her you were going to rape her, period. But, someone with the mental depravity you have couldn't see that, right?
When they fit they are quite effective as you just pointed out.

GC's standard tactic: be obtuse, and attack, attack, attack.

So, given that you've basically admitted that an imposed binary choice (rape one way or another/ heaven or hell) doesn't take into account free will... I think you're kind of done, GC.

[Godscreated]

You did not give her a choice, you the rapist told her you were going to rape her, period. But, someone with the mental depravity you have couldn't see that, right?
When they fit they are quite effective as you just pointed out.

The rapist gives her a valid choice, just not the choice that the woman wishes, presumably one to be left alone. In the same vein, god does not give me the choice I desire, which is to be left alone after I die and not be forced to go to heaven or hell.

Ain't going to happen.

GC

[freedomfromforum]

Ain't going to happen.

GC

Then choose; front door, or back door?

The 'choice' has been thrust upon you by a loving rapist.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

As I always say death will reveal the truth.
GC

Have you ever considered inserting the words "I believe" into your posts? It might solve some problems.

[Godscreated]

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

If your child disobeyed you would you throw him into a fire and watch him burn? Would you then proceed to do the same to his offspring?

btw, God forced the pharaoh to sin against him. He hardened his heart so that he wouldn't let his people go and then proceeded to kill every first born son in Egypt.

If I threw him in a fire how would he have offspring.

Presumably prior to the burning.

The punishment I would set for my son would be given to him if he disobeyed, of coarse I would not throw him in a fire. Your trying to compare a finite situation to an infinite one.

When you put it like that, perpetual torment is practically a kindness.

I'm still saying you do not know the difference between the two.

That's clearly not true. A church is a christian temple. If you're planning on referring to ecclesiastical authority/body of believers then you're just playing semantics.

[Brakeman]

The rapist gives her a valid choice, just not the choice that the woman wishes, presumably one to be left alone. In the same vein, god does not give me the choice I desire, which is to be left alone after I die and not be forced to go to heaven or hell.

Ain't going to happen.

GC

And with that we are right back to my original premise.

So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.