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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:13 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:44 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But atheistic origin science needs more that one beyond comprehension miracle. It actually needs many trillions of miracles one after another in a specific order as if directed by an intelligence.
That is a miracle making machine with intelligence.
Sorry. your answer does not help your cause.
So I will reframe Pascal's wager for you.
There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God.
But it is almost certain that you will receive everlasting punishment.
"There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God."
Where did you derive that probability from?
Same place he gets most of his stuff. I reckon it's pretty dark up in there .
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Grace, what are your qualifications? Because if you continue to ignore this question, I and everyone else here will assume that you don't have any relevant qualifications. Then by this apparent lack of qualifications we can assume that you don't actually understand what you are talking about. So if you want any of us to consider taking you seriously about anything, it would really help your case if you provided some qualifications.
What am I talking about, we wouldn't believe you even if you did provide some.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Let's do some math 101!
. The odds of some highly improbable event are 1/1,000,000,000, that's one in a billion.
. How many people on Earth experience that event?
-- ~7, on average.
. The odds of having life on any given planet are 1/1,000,000,000,000,000, that's one in a quadrillion ( Short Scale )
. On average, each galaxy has some 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) stars and many seem to have planets orbiting them, so, given that we can have more than one planet per star, let's say there are 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) planets per galaxy.
. There are about 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) galaxies in the universe. That gives us an overall value of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (100 quintillions)
. How many planets have life?
-- 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 / 1,000,000,000,000,000 = 1,000
So.... do tell me about unlikely events...
There's a reason why "astronomical", when used as a quantity means lots and lots and lots and more than you can imagine!
Now, let's turn to small things, like atoms, molecules, etc...
In 1 Liter space, a perfect gas has 1 mole of molecules of that gas. A "mole", here, refers to a quantity, much like a dozen refers to a quantity.
However, a dozen is something we can easily count, 12.
A mole is not so easy, 602,214,129,292,929,292,929,292 (that's close to 600 sextillions), and this is just in one liter of this gas.
Now, a liquid is a bit more compact than a gas, however the number of molecules is within the same order of magnitude (allow me to switch to scientific notation) ~6.022e23.
How many liters of water are there in this planet?
Well, according to our friend the wiki, "The total volume is approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres", or, in liters 1.3e21.
This means we have close to 7.8e44 molecules in the water of this planet.
Now, please, do tell me how low the odds are that some amino-acids would stick together, form proteins and RNA and all that mechanism...
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Let's do some math 101!
. The odds of some highly improbable event are 1/1,000,000,000, that's one in a billion.
. How many people on Earth experience that event?
-- ~7, on average.
. The odds of having life on any given planet are 1/1,000,000,000,000,000, that's one in a quadrillion ( Short Scale )
. On average, each galaxy has some 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) stars and many seem to have planets orbiting them, so, given that we can have more than one planet per star, let's say there are 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) planets per galaxy.
. There are about 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) galaxies in the universe. That gives us an overall value of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (100 quintillions)
. How many planets have life?
-- 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 / 1,000,000,000,000,000 = 1,000
So.... do tell me about unlikely events...
There's a reason why "astronomical", when used as a quantity means lots and lots and lots and more than you can imagine!
Now, let's turn to small things, like atoms, molecules, etc...
In 1 Liter space, a perfect gas has 1 mole of molecules of that gas. A "mole", here, refers to a quantity, much like a dozen refers to a quantity.
However, a dozen is something we can easily count, 12.
A mole is not so easy, 602,214,129,292,929,292,929,292 (that's close to 600 sextillions), and this is just in one liter of this gas.
Now, a liquid is a bit more compact than a gas, however the number of molecules is within the same order of magnitude (allow me to switch to scientific notation) ~6.022e23.
How many liters of water are there in this planet?
Well, according to our friend the wiki, "The total volume is approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres", or, in liters 1.3e21.
This means we have close to 7.8e44 molecules in the water of this planet.
Now, please, do tell me how low the odds are that some amino-acids would stick together, form proteins and RNA and all that mechanism...
You gonna need more possibilities.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:17 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 7:15 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 7:12 am)Insanity x Wrote: Why? I know what I want and need to know. Why should I have to go find out things I don't know or care about for your sake?
There are no answers to the questions I gave for the first creature.
Atheistic Origin Science is false. It will never have the answers.
You are absolutely correct. But how does anyone's failure to provide an answer to an incoherent question necessitate your conclusion, "therefore God did it"? There is absolutely no lack of knowledge which would show that your genie is real or necessary.
You are assuming that atheism is only a viable position if science can provide all the answers to all the questions which theism offers. The difference is that science only offers as knowledge the best theories the evidence can support, while theism offers as revealed wisdom that for which there is not a shred of evidence.
Both science and atheism can get along just fine without claiming to have the correct alternative explanation for every wild claim a theist pulls out of his ass.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Let's do some math 101!
. The odds of some highly improbable event are 1/1,000,000,000, that's one in a billion.
. How many people on Earth experience that event?
-- ~7, on average.
. The odds of having life on any given planet are 1/1,000,000,000,000,000, that's one in a quadrillion ( Short Scale )
. On average, each galaxy has some 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) stars and many seem to have planets orbiting them, so, given that we can have more than one planet per star, let's say there are 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) planets per galaxy.
. There are about 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) galaxies in the universe. That gives us an overall value of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (100 quintillions)
. How many planets have life?
-- 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 / 1,000,000,000,000,000 = 1,000
So.... do tell me about unlikely events...
There's a reason why "astronomical", when used as a quantity means lots and lots and lots and more than you can imagine!
Now, let's turn to small things, like atoms, molecules, etc...
In 1 Liter space, a perfect gas has 1 mole of molecules of that gas. A "mole", here, refers to a quantity, much like a dozen refers to a quantity.
However, a dozen is something we can easily count, 12.
A mole is not so easy, 602,214,129,292,929,292,929,292 (that's close to 600 sextillions), and this is just in one liter of this gas.
Now, a liquid is a bit more compact than a gas, however the number of molecules is within the same order of magnitude (allow me to switch to scientific notation) ~6.022e23.
How many liters of water are there in this planet?
Well, according to our friend the wiki, "The total volume is approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres", or, in liters 1.3e21.
This means we have close to 7.8e44 molecules in the water of this planet.
Now, please, do tell me how low the odds are that some amino-acids would stick together, form proteins and RNA and all that mechanism...
You gonna need more possibilities.
That's not a calculation, you hypocrite.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: You gonna need more possibilities.
That's not a calculation, you hypocrite.
That will be shown in a future topic.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:21 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: You gonna need more possibilities.
Education? Yes, no, cookies?
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm by Doubting Thomas.)
(October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no a God.
Fixed that for you.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Forget it, I doubt Grace has any form of higher education at all. He/she could be on the same educational level as the Amish. Nothing original has been said, i suspect he/she is just copying from some creationist website somewhere
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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