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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 8:31 am
(December 29, 2014 at 1:40 am)snowtracks Wrote: There are 7 billion people on this planet and everyone of them knows osmosis transports water thru the cell membrane,
Erm....no they don't, not anywhere near that number.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 8:47 am
Most people don't know their osmosis from their os-hole 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 10:33 am
Its been proven possible
http://www.wired.com/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
and even....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
we are a product of evolution....
why do people want to feel special like were hand crafted by a god.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 10:40 am
(December 27, 2014 at 11:35 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yes, but salt is a fusion of sodium and chlorine. There's no possible way those specific atoms ever could have come together all by themselves without some kind of intelligent salt maker. LOL, I was tempted to explain that as well...it's a compulsion. Then I remembered that it doesn't matter, because our audience has trouble with anything even slightly more complicated than crayons.
(December 29, 2014 at 1:40 am)snowtracks Wrote: The membrane allow and disallows various substances by various specific channels within the membrane. Glucose molecules for example need to have an insulin molecule attached to gain entry thru a specific membrane gate or channel, and as such these type substances needs to be ‘actively’ transported thought to the cell by the expenditure of ATP energy. The mosaic structure to accommodate the various substances to first sense to allow or disallow, and then later transport thru the membrane is highly intricate. A product of life's billion year arms race. Since we aren't talking about modern cells, I don't see the relevance. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, as you have some practice with seeing things that aren't there.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 10:43 am
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(December 29, 2014 at 10:33 am)dyresand Wrote: why do people want to feel special like were hand crafted by a god. Because they want to believe that chance couldn't produce such a magnificent thing such as the human experience and more so because life seems utterly vain if it is not progressing towards some goal in which their individual actions possess definite value for the distant future.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 11:34 am
(December 29, 2014 at 10:43 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 10:33 am)dyresand Wrote: why do people want to feel special like were hand crafted by a god. Because they want to believe that chance couldn't produce such a magnificent thing such as the human experience and more so because life seems utterly vain if it is not progressing towards some goal in which their individual actions possess definite value for the distant future.
Even believing in some type of deity would still raise some questions. As you know why did he create us and why did he create us flawed. I still like were a alive due to chance then rather believe in a lie.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 11:53 am
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(December 29, 2014 at 11:34 am)dyresand Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 10:43 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Because they want to believe that chance couldn't produce such a magnificent thing such as the human experience and more so because life seems utterly vain if it is not progressing towards some goal in which their individual actions possess definite value for the distant future.
Even believing in some type of deity would still raise some questions. As you know why did he create us and why did he create us flawed. I still like were a alive due to chance then rather believe in a lie. *In my best "sophisticated theologian's voice"*
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm
(December 29, 2014 at 11:53 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 11:34 am)dyresand Wrote: Even believing in some type of deity would still raise some questions. As you know why did he create us and why did he create us flawed. I still like were a alive due to chance then rather believe in a lie. *In my best "sophisticated theologian's voice"*
"Yes, yes, young dyresand, but I must be getting back to my studies now, in fact, this remarkable saint I hold in my hand wrote all about God's mysterious ways and he said quite adamantly that we must not question God's purposes. His ways are beyond our understanding. Anyway, that is all the time I have today. Please, let's do this again sometime."
I must question god anyways i mean why bother creating anything. I mean being all omini anything why bother i mean he knows were sinful creatures why bother. I mean he knows the past future and present why go away i mean is god embarrassed is there other gods just poking fun at poor ol' Yaweh?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 12:28 pm
(December 29, 2014 at 1:40 am)snowtracks Wrote: There are 7 billion people on this planet and everyone of them knows osmosis transports water thru the cell membrane, so obviously that’s not the discussion.
The membrane allow and disallows various substances by various specific channels within the membrane. Glucose molecules for example need to have an insulin molecule attached to gain entry thru a specific membrane gate or channel, and as such these type substances needs to be ‘actively’ transported thought to the cell by the expenditure of ATP energy. The mosaic structure to accommodate the various substances to first sense to allow or disallow, and then later transport thru the membrane is highly intricate.
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5192391_glu...cell_.html
You just love you some arguments from ignorance, don't you Snowy? 
Even if we had no answer to this, how does that mean god did it?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 29, 2014 at 12:36 pm
(December 29, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 1:40 am)snowtracks Wrote: There are 7 billion people on this planet and everyone of them knows osmosis transports water thru the cell membrane, so obviously that’s not the discussion.
The membrane allow and disallows various substances by various specific channels within the membrane. Glucose molecules for example need to have an insulin molecule attached to gain entry thru a specific membrane gate or channel, and as such these type substances needs to be ‘actively’ transported thought to the cell by the expenditure of ATP energy. The mosaic structure to accommodate the various substances to first sense to allow or disallow, and then later transport thru the membrane is highly intricate.
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5192391_glu...cell_.html
You just love you some arguments from ignorance, don't you Snowy?
Even if we had no answer to this, how does that mean god did it?
God didn't do shit... obviously
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