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The most important reason anyone is an atheist
RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 24, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote: Consciousness is not physical therefore can not be studied by physical science.

Prove it.

(And no, NDEs do not prove it. It's not clear what NDEs are or what causes them, and until it is, they are not proof. Until you can provide evidence as to what they actually are, they are not themselves evidence for anything else. If NDEs and 'auras' are all you have for proof, then you have no proof.)


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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 24, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote: Consciousness is not physical therefore can not be studied by physical science.
There are THOUSANDS of scientific papers that are about consciousness- both in terms of being awake and in terms of being sentient. It is studied by scientists all the time. The fact is that you have read none of these papers and so have no idea what scientists know and don't know about it.

Why in hell can't these folks learn to read journal papers before they start yapping about what science can and cannot do?
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 24, 2013 at 10:16 am)Zazzy Wrote:
(October 24, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote: Consciousness is not physical therefore can not be studied by physical science.
There are THOUSANDS of scientific papers that are about consciousness- both in terms of being awake and in terms of being sentient. It is studied by scientists all the time. The fact is that you have read none of these papers and so have no idea what scientists know and don't know about it.
Why in hell can't these folks learn to read journal papers before they start yapping about what science can and cannot do?


I guess you and the other guys never try to understand what the word PHYSICAL means.
After years and years of studying everything else you miss this important meaning.
How sad.
Well, as old granny sad.............it is never too late.
But do not despair, even those scientists that as you say try to understand something about consciousness can not see the difference between the physical aspect and the consciousness aspect.
They masturbate their minds in the hope that consciousness can be grasp by physical science.
Theory and practical reality are two different things.
Theory means very little but reality acquired through practice is everything.
Real love is only acquired through practice not by theory that is why physical science is unable to enter the kingdom of consciousness.Cool Shades

(October 24, 2013 at 9:27 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 24, 2013 at 9:16 am)enrico Wrote: Stop there boy.
When you are not sure you should not back up such an assertion.
End of story.
You can eventually say that you think or you guess and that is all you can say.

It's called being intellectually honest, you buffoon. Total certainty is a near impossibility, because we don't know everything yet. I don't get why you're bitching about this anyway, since if you actually had any evidence to show for your position, this honesty on my part would be your opening to convince me that you're right.

Oh, but you don't have any evidence, hmm?

Quote:Have you ever seen a driver stuck inside a car or glue to the seat for ever?Smile

That's begging the question: the only way that comparison even functions is if you're already assuming that consciousness isn't tied to the body to begin with, which is something you've given us zero reason to accept.

Quote:Sorry boy but again i am not the one who said that we are finite without bring any evidence to back it up so is you that got to bring the evidence.
And i mean real evidence not the usual hot air. Wink Shades

No, but you are the one who said that we're infinite without providing any evidence. The difference between our positions is that I actually can provide data that points to my position being true, and I did that in my first post to you.

How about you cut the superiority complex and come to the table with something real, enrico? Why in hell should we just accept what you're saying, just because you have the temerity to say it?


I already explain the point but you keep on evading to answer.
I said that i follow your same policy.
When someone say that God exist you guys say that without evidence is all bullshit so when you guys say that we are finite i do require you to back your statement with evidence.
So far no evidence has been come so i have to come to the conclusion that your statement is all bullshit.
Is this clear or i will have to write in a different language that you may understand better?Confused Fall
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
So all those scientist have it wrong. Enrico is the only one to have figured it out.
Can someone please provide a link about the subject. Maybe a peer reviewed paper or something, not that he would understand it
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 25, 2013 at 10:23 am)enrico Wrote: I already explain the point but you keep on evading to answer.
I said that i follow your same policy.
When someone say that God exist you guys say that without evidence is all bullshit so when you guys say that we are finite i do require you to back your statement with evidence.

And my evidence is the entirety of the findings of mainstream medicine and neuroscience. What have you got?

Quote:So far no evidence has been come so i have to come to the conclusion that your statement is all bullshit.
Is this clear or i will have to write in a different language that you may understand better?Confused Fall

So, you don't actually have any evidence at all, then?
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 25, 2013 at 10:46 am)Esquilax Wrote: So, you don't actually have any evidence at all, then?

That would be a safe assumption I think
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
Esq, the findings of neuroscience must be interpretated. The framework for that is a philosophical question.
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Esq, the findings of neuroscience must be interpretated. The framework for that is a philosophical question.

I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Care to expound a bit?
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(October 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Esq, the findings of neuroscience must be interpretated. The framework for that is a philosophical question.
I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Care to expound a bit?

He wants the findings to mean more than they do.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
(October 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(October 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Care to expound a bit?

He wants the findings to mean more than they do.

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and hoping. Tongue
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

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