(October 24, 2013 at 8:22 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote: Ok. you are not arrogant so answer the question that i have been waiting for the last few days.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE FINITE?

The fact that, when our brains cease to function, we die. The fact that no evidence of persistence after this point has ever been recorded. The fact that near death experiences always seem to conform to the existing preferences of the person having them.
If you'd like to propose something that flies in the face of the actual evidence, like you are, then you are the one who needs to provide evidence of it. In asking me for proof that your completely unfounded and baseless assertion that we're somehow infinite isn't true, you're just shifting the burden of proof and showing yet more of your drastic misunderstanding of how logic and argumentation works.

Sorry Esq. but you bring no evidence at all.
How do you know that when the body die also the consciousness has to follow?
What you do when you take your old car to the wrecker?
Do you also end up at the wrecker?
Who told you that the consciousness has always to be connected to a physical body?
Santa?
Think something better boy.

One more thing.
You are the one who is backing up this assertion so is YOU that need to provide evidence not me.

(October 24, 2013 at 8:57 am)enrico Wrote: Sorry Esq. but you bring no evidence at all.
How do you know that when the body die also the consciousness has to follow?

We don't know for certain, but there's nothing to suggest that anything persists after death, and everything to show that nothing does.

Quote:Who told you that the consciousness has always to be connected to a physical body?

What evidence can you bring to the table that shows that it isn't? Have you ever experienced a consciousness that wasn't attached to a body?

Quote:One more thing.
You are the one who is backing up this assertion so is YOU that need to provide evidence not me.

... I'm the one with the evidence, so therefore you- lacking in any evidence at all- don't have a burden of proof. Sorry, dude: you still do, according to every rule of science and debate. The fact that you won't shoulder your burden says tomes about your claim and the likelihood of it being true.

(October 24, 2013 at 8:45 am)Rationalman Wrote: You are a real pathetic piece of work. You have not backed up any of your assertions at all you filthy hypocrite.
Provide evidence that we are not finite beings. Remember, the burden is on you because all the evidence suggests that we are indeed finite beings.
Provide evidence for reincarnation or karma or whatever other shit you believe in.
Since you have failed to do this when asked before i'm going to assume you don't have any. Therefore, you don't have an argument and you should shut the hell up until you do.

You say......... the evidence suggests that we are indeed finite beings.......without provide any evidence and then you have the audacity to swear at me.
How sick you are boy.hock:

(October 24, 2013 at 9:04 am)enrico Wrote: You say......... the evidence suggests that we are indeed finite beings.......without provide any evidence and then you have the audacity to swear at me.
How sick you are boy.hock:

I provided you evidence and, rather than actually addressing it or presenting any of your own, you did what you always do and mistook scoffing, sneering arrogance for a rebuttal. The swearing was entirely warranted.

(October 24, 2013 at 9:01 am)Esquilax Wrote: We don't know for certain, but there's nothing to suggest that anything persists after death, and everything to show that nothing does.

Stop there boy.
When you are not sure you should not back up such an assertion.
End of story.
You can eventually say that you think or you guess and that is all you can say.

Quote:What evidence can you bring to the table that shows that it isn't? Have you ever experienced a consciousness that wasn't attached to a body?

Have you ever seen a driver stuck inside a car or glue to the seat for ever?

Quote:... I'm the one with the evidence, so therefore you- lacking in any evidence at all- don't have a burden of proof. Sorry, dude: you still do, according to every rule of science and debate. The fact that you won't shoulder your burden says tomes about your claim and the likelihood of it being true.

Sorry boy but again i am not the one who said that we are finite without bring any evidence to back it up so is you that got to bring the evidence.
And i mean real evidence not the usual hot air.

(October 24, 2013 at 9:04 am)enrico Wrote: You say......... the evidence suggests that we are indeed finite beings.......without provide any evidence and then you have the audacity to swear at me.
How sick you are boy.hock:

Oooohhh 'audacity' thats a big word for you.
Fuck off you troll

(October 24, 2013 at 9:16 am)enrico Wrote: And i mean real evidence not the usual hot air.

Why do I even bother replacing my irony meters?

I'll be sending you a bill.

(October 24, 2013 at 9:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 9:04 am)enrico Wrote: You say......... the evidence suggests that we are indeed finite beings.......without provide any evidence and then you have the audacity to swear at me.
How sick you are boy.hock:

I provided you evidence and, rather than actually addressing it or presenting any of your own, you did what you always do and mistook scoffing, sneering arrogance for a rebuttal. The swearing was entirely warranted.

Look my boy, you say that you provide evidence.
Where the hell is this evidence?
Ok. now i go to sleep.
In the meantime you can come up with your holy evidence and tomorrow i will look at your holy evidence.
My intuition tell me that your evidence will be the usual hot air but as Granny said..........A MIRACLE CAN ALWAYS HAPPEN.

(October 24, 2013 at 9:16 am)enrico Wrote: Stop there boy.
When you are not sure you should not back up such an assertion.
End of story.
You can eventually say that you think or you guess and that is all you can say.

It's called being intellectually honest, you buffoon. Total certainty is a near impossibility, because we don't know everything yet. I don't get why you're bitching about this anyway, since if you actually had any evidence to show for your position, this honesty on my part would be your opening to convince me that you're right.

Oh, but you don't have any evidence, hmm?

Quote:Have you ever seen a driver stuck inside a car or glue to the seat for ever?

That's begging the question: the only way that comparison even functions is if you're already assuming that consciousness isn't tied to the body to begin with, which is something you've given us zero reason to accept.

Quote:Sorry boy but again i am not the one who said that we are finite without bring any evidence to back it up so is you that got to bring the evidence.
And i mean real evidence not the usual hot air.

No, but you are the one who said that we're infinite without providing any evidence. The difference between our positions is that I actually can provide data that points to my position being true, and I did that in my first post to you.

How about you cut the superiority complex and come to the table with something real, enrico? Why in hell should we just accept what you're saying, just because you have the temerity to say it?

(October 24, 2013 at 9:23 am)enrico Wrote: A MIRACLE CAN ALWAYS HAPPEN.

If you fuck off and never come back then I'll agree with this statement. But you won't, will you?

You contribute precisely nothing to this forum. Nothing, just drivel and that is barely decipherable. And even when the message behind the list of words has been discerned, it still doesn't make any sense. I've never seen any evidence to back up your claim aside (paraphrasing) "You've got to look inside yourself, become one with yourself" and all that bollocks that means literally fuck all.

Now do your stretches.