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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 9, 2015 at 3:35 am
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No you're absolutely right, Vishnu did make the earth. But why did you choose not to worship him?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 9, 2015 at 7:11 am
(January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 11:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'd really like to see a fair evaluation of atheistic origin sciences compared to the official doctrine of creation science. we observe living, consciousness, emotions, and spiritual and then speculate wildly;
Gotta learn to complete each thought. Fixed that one for you.
(January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: .. atheism and naturalism are self-defeating in that they demand these attributes originate from the physical.
Not aware of any demanding going on. Science just follows the evidence where it leads.
(January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: and, nothing matters in the end, no purpose, no justice. This just amounts to more whining about science not delivering what it was never conceived to deliver in the first place. The people making use of the science then have better facts and theories with which to refine their values and meaning. Why would you expect science which is all about empiricism to discover your values or THE VALUES? That's just silly.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 9, 2015 at 8:25 am
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(January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: we observe living, consciousness, emotions, and spiritual; atheism and naturalism are self-defeating in that they demand these attributes originate from the physical. and, nothing matters in the end, no purpose, no justice. No ones ever observed any "spiritual", and neither atheism nor science make any such demands.....but even if we had observed "spiritual" and even if atheism and science -did- make those demands.....it;s still nonsensical to claim that either are self defeating on the grounds you offered.
You don't seem to understand what the term "self defeating" means - so you're probably not qualified to speak on the issue. In true nutball form, however, the less qualified any particular apologist is regarding a given subject the more they have to say about it. Exhibit A - this thread.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 9, 2015 at 8:29 am
(January 9, 2015 at 8:25 am)Rhythm Wrote: (January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: we observe living, consciousness, emotions, and spiritual; atheism and naturalism are self-defeating in that they demand these attributes originate from the physical. and, nothing matters in the end, no purpose, no justice.
You don't seem to understand what the term "self defeating" means - so you're probably not qualified to speak [full stop]. In true nutball form, however, the less qualified any particular apologist is regarding a given subject the more they have to say about it. Exhibit A - this thread.
Just one suggestion.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 9, 2015 at 10:11 am
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(January 9, 2015 at 2:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 12:30 am)snowtracks Wrote: "Also nasa found more earth like planets and even ones that could support life like ours" - flawed analysis, but nice try though. The film brings before the public eye astonishing results from recent large-scale surveys of our Universe which disclose surprising evidence of a preferred position in the cosmos, aligned with our supposedly insignificant Earth. http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/about/
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We are insignificant the end. We are not special we are just lucky. Out of all the specks floating in the universe we are lucky to be on one that supports complex life.
Any other area of the universe we could have been bacteria. Your falls flat when you try to push god into science it does not work. god is a variable a highly unknown variable
and to push into science it doesn't make sense. Its like bringing a bible to math class it doesn't work. You are the kid bringing the bible to a science class making things up on spot.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 10, 2015 at 3:14 am
(January 8, 2015 at 1:30 am)dyresand Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 1:27 am)Rhythm Wrote: You don't have to worry about Christians mixing science and religion. It's all magic all the time with them.
Lek, GC, HM are just huge wastes of time.....even when i try to explain something they are like nuh uh.. nuh uh this is right you are wrong when science is the most unbiased thing out there.......... [insert sigh here] science is the study of how God did it, hardly a conflict.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 10, 2015 at 3:22 am
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(January 10, 2015 at 3:14 am)snowtracks Wrote: science is the study of how God did it, hardly a conflict. 
When I stop laughing I will try to present a proper response, but for now ...
That was a good one though!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 10, 2015 at 3:27 am
(January 8, 2015 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: (December 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Heaven and hell exist outside the universe's 4 dim's. The universe is heading towards a 'heat death' per science. Again two books, nature, revelation. the 'revelation' book tells us that God will create the 'new creation' after the current universe (ref below). The timing is after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth which is after the 7 year tribulation period (when is that? most believe that the countdown started when Israel became a nation, 1948; most scholars say that a biblical generation is 100 years. So the universe most likely will no longer exist past 1000 years + 7 years + unknown time (but most likely, not to exceed year 2048). a science heat death would be fully complete around 1 trillion years from now when nothing would move from lack of energy.
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ref: "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment." dimensions beyond our 4 are not science fiction. Even the current universe has 6 others that didn't unfurl at the time of the big bang. where are they? tightly wound around the other 4 so they are everywhere. http://plus.maths.org/content/10-dimensi...ing-theory "@ snowtracks
also heaven and hell if they both exist would to be subject to entropy."
are you forgetting something? which is - they exist outside of the physics of the universe.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 10, 2015 at 3:32 am
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Ah, that is very common for all religous things huh. Just outside of where you can tell they are actually anything at all. Does that area have a post code? 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
January 10, 2015 at 3:37 am
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